Memory Alpha:Category suggestion archive/In-universe/Archive 3

Civil wars

See the list @ civil war. I suppose a template could work instead, though. -LauraCC (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

This would be better as a navbox template, but even that I don't think is necessary.

We certainly shouldn't create "Category:Civil wars" if we don't even have "Category:Wars". 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, we have "conflicts" already, but the line between a war and a conflict may be more debatable than that between a plain old war and a civil war. -LauraCC (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I still don't think we really need a category. The conflicts place is relatively small (171 direct children, currently), and the list you mentioned at civil war does a good enough job of grouping civil wars together.

Not that there's really much of a downside to creating a category, but I really don't see an upside either. I could be wrong, though. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Assay office customers

For all the individuals (in-joke names) listed @ Assay office. -LauraCC (talk) 02:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose. This just seems unnecessary; the list you referenced is all that's needed IMO. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, per Mr. SC. - AJHalliwell (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Fleets

For the list @ fleet. -LauraCC (talk) 03:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. There are only a handful of items in that list, and Category:Military units is pretty small anyway (only eighty-eight pages). There's no need for greater precision at this time.

That said, I could be convinced otherwise if you have a strong case for this. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Commercial transport database passengers

I know there's a table on the page Commercial transport database, but when somebody runs into one of these names while browsing MA, this gives them an alternate way to look at them. -LauraCC (talk) 19:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose for same reasons as above. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, per above. - AJHalliwell (talk) 21:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Brand names or businesses

For pages like Stryker, Michelob, Coca-Cola, Nike, Inc., Great Value, etc. Some of them are categorized as Earth establishments, but isn't that more for individual places of business like cafes, stores, etc, not merely names imprinted on products? -LauraCC (talk) 02:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

This is a good idea... Do you recommend we do brands, companies, or both? We probably have more company pages, so maybe we should do that. Plus there's a list (albeit incomplete) at company, which would make the process easier. The problem is we already have Category:Companies for real-world companies, so maybe we should rename that to "Category:Star Trek companies". Anyway, that's my two cents :) 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Clarifying that Category:Earth establishments does identify "all named business establishments and corporations" under its purview. I don't think I see a clear intended deliniation between these two that we would have the content to justify. (Oppose otherwise.) - AJHalliwell (talk) 21:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I suppose we could make "Earth ____ establishments" if there's a particular type of company (such as food, clothing) that there are a lot of. -LauraCC (talk) 17:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Training holoprograms

For holoprograms that are educational and Starfleet training, like the command training for Deanna Troi, Wesley Crusher's Academy fear test, etc, as opposed to leisure programs like Dixon Hill. -LauraCC (talk) 01:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, this appears to be served by the content of Holographic programs. While technically distinguishable, I don't think bogging down MA's category system by quantity inherently improves navigation. - AJHalliwell (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hybrids subcat

Subcat of Category:Hybrids either for bred hybrids (Spock, etc), or transporter hybrids (of which we have many more than just Tuvix due to LD) -LauraCC (talk) 02:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, I do not believe the quantity of transporter hybrids calls for this. - AJHalliwell (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Laboratories

For all of the locations with "lab" or "laboratory" in their names. -LauraCC (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose; this information should be better captured at Science laboratory before needing a category. - AJHalliwell (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Personal starships

Starships owned by individuals rather than being part of a service. -LauraCC (talk) 20:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Not convinced of the value of this. It seems a similar idea to the "Courier ships" category that was hacked together without discussion and includes ships that aren't courier ships. -- Sulfur (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Journalists

For people like Sylvia Ront, Noah Schloss (journalist), Jake Sisko, Jake Tapper, etc, some of whom are depicted as broadcast reporters, while others are said to be writers (not to say they couldn't have also written their own copy, of course). -LauraCC (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

My read of prescedent based on Category:Occupations is, this should start as a list at Journalist, and if the list reaches worthwhile capacity to move to category then. The other occupation categories look to have 40+ articles. - AJHalliwell (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. -LauraCC (talk) 01:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I have 13 named so far, plus there's redirects for unnamed folks to track down. -LauraCC (talk) 19:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Digital/holographic sentient classification in info bars

Should there be an effort to differentiate android, programs, and holograms that have become sentient? Example are Data is listed only as a Soong-type android vice being the only sentient Soong-type android. Kathryn Janeway (hologram), James Moriarty (hologram), and The Doctor are just listed as holograms (as well as The Doctor not allowing rank within his info bar). Zora is not listed as a program anywhere in her info bar, nor being sentient. M-5 multitronic unit could very well be sentient as well as well as the Ent-D computer system (this one had a baby!). I am sure there are other examples out there that I cannot think of at the moment. Should there be a template for these examples or a category? ‐ Yaroze86 (talk) 14:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The effort to differentiate (in instances where sentience is in question) should be captured in the body of the article. Instances where artificial lifeform sentience comes up it's probably in question as part of the/a plot (i.e. Data, Zora.) Sentience also references instances directly mentioned, and (bgnote) those not directly mentioned. Given the gray subjective area, I think "Artificial lifeforms" is probably the best bet, and I'm not sure the subjectivity needs introduced to the info bar. - AJHalliwell (talk) 17:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

War

For all war-related pages that aren't conflicts ("conflicts" and "weapons" would then be subcats, perhaps) or necessarily limited to the military members themselves: post-traumatic stress disorder, amputation, shrapnel, campaign headquarters tent, missing in action, killed in action, soldier, veteran, war story, etc. Similar to the "death" and "sleep" categories. -LauraCC (talk) 01:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with this in principal, but the term "war" implies a more limited scope than this category would cover. I would suggest "Conflict", but that could be too similar to Category:Conflicts. Then again, it could still work despite being very similar. Thoughts, anyone? 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

War-related seems a bit subjective; not all of the instances listed on PTSD, amputation, shrapnel, MIA, are war-related. I'm not sure how a category that captures everything that could be conflict-related would be used. Does the original suggestion here vary from Category:Military? (Oppose otherwise.) - AJHalliwell (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

They are all topics commonly associated with (though not exclusively) war and military action. -LauraCC (talk) 01:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

By your rationale, categorizing "chicken" as "food" would also be subjective, since some references are to live chickens that are not being eaten. As for "military", Blackout (power) mentions causing a blackout to Earth. It's a military action, but done in the name of war and affecting civilians. -LauraCC (talk) 14:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I hadn't realized before, but I think this is covered by Category:Military. Oppose. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. -LauraCC (talk) 00:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Transportation

A category that Category:Transportation technology would be a subcat of, plus items related to transportation like bus stop, school shuttle stop, landing pad (not so much technology as locations), Bay Area Rapid Transit, San Francisco Municipal Railway, system map, shipping route, etc. -LauraCC (talk) 23:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Also walking, swimming (technically it is a way you transport yourself, not just a sport or leisure activity) -LauraCC (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose. Beyond a common subject, I'm not sure I see why this needs a category per se. - AJHalliwell (talk) 21:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Better organization? I know other super categories have been created in the past. -LauraCC (talk) 23:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak support – I see the potential merit of grouping these things together. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Tourist attractions

For all planets and other locations known for recreation, like Crivo, Risa, Fire Caves, Cetacean Institute, etc. -LauraCC (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose, unless a list is written that first justifies the need for this. - AJHalliwell (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I've started a list on that page, but I'm sure there are more. -LauraCC (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Flags

A subcat of "Category:Symbols". -LauraCC (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, insufficient need. - AJHalliwell (talk) 03:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Islands

See the lists of islands documented @ island. -LauraCC (talk) 00:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, not convinced this is necessary. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Tribbles

To categorize Bribble, a Tribble-Brikar hybrid (already categorized under "Hybrids" and "Brikars" - "Tribbles" would replace "Animals") and the first named (partial) tribble. We have the precedent for having a category with one named individual @ Category:Sehlats (though I guess, unlike I-Chaya, fully a sehlat, Bribble is only half Tribble, at least) - only I-chaya and unnamed pets are in that category. For unnamed pet Tribbles, we have Lorca's and Kelvinverse Scotty's, in a cage (though the latter could be there as a "canary in a coal mine", not as a pet, I suppose). -LauraCC (talk) 15:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. - AJHalliwell (talk) 03:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

On the grounds of there currently only being a hybrid, no 100% tribble with a name? -LauraCC (talk) 22:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Something like that; this does not sound like it would aid navigation or organization. I lean we don't even need Category:Sehlats. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

What does everyone else think? -LauraCC (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Advanced Technologies Unit personnel

Subcat for some of the people listed in Category:USS Protostar dedication plaque personnel on the right of the plaque - those who are members of this unit. -LauraCC (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, as we don't do this for other dedication plaque headers. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Syndromes

From the list @Syndrome (see Talk:Syndrome). -LauraCC (talk) 03:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose; I'm comfortable with these under medical conditions, or at least don't see sufficient reason to break out a subcategory. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Plays

From the list @ play (theater). Subcat of "literature". -LauraCC (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not convinced this is necessary; Shakespearean works and musical composition covers most sufficiently. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I see your point: Frame of Mind and Something for Breakfast are the only outliers. -LauraCC (talk) 01:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Baby-related things

From the list @infant -LauraCC (talk) 04:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, not sure I see the value of this. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Identification numbers

For all the numbers currently listed in Category:Identification technology - license number, serial number, etc. -LauraCC (talk) 17:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't see this as sufficiently different or necessary. - AJHalliwell (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

LGBTQ characters category?

Moved from Memory Alpha:Ten Forward

I just thought I'd ask here if the admins/moderators/etc would be fine with adding a category for characters who are canonically LGBTQ. I noticed some other fandom wikis do it so I figured it might be worth adding here, but I figured I should probably ask first instead of just unilaterally adding it. Goweegie2 (talk) 04:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, if you think there should be such a category, please suggest it on the category suggestions page. All categories should be suggested there before being created. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

not sure why an umbrella category would be the ideal instead of more specific categories.Marhawkman (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've moved this discussion to the proper venue and directed the forum here, will delete that page once this discussion concludes.

For what it's worth, I don't see a real need for such a category. Weak oppose for now, but open to switching my stance if someone can give a convincing argument for this. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Re: Marhawkman, I was thinking an umbrella category partially because that's how it's worked on other wikis I've seen, and also because not every character is canonically referred to with a specific label, so creating more specific categories would necessitate a lot of guesswork. Goweegie2 (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of these categories, because I feel like the implication is that characters who aren't on them are thus not queer, which only reinforces heteronormativity. If this topic is to be addressed, I'd much rather put it in the form of an article so as to supply appropriate context. -- UncertainError (talk) 22:51, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Simulator holopod programs

From the rather long list @Simulator holopod, a subcat of holoprograms. Or we could have "Training holoprograms" and "recreational holoprograms". -LauraCC (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. I would prefer your alternative suggestion (training vs. recreational), but there are only 162 pages and 5 categories in Category:Holographic programs, not enough IMO to split it all between two subcats, and would have no significant benefit for navigation. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay. Better as a list, perhaps. -LauraCC (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Legal systems

For the lists @law and @legal system. Similar to what I suggested above for species history. -LauraCC (talk) 00:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: From what I can tell, none of the lists at law include legal systems, and only seven items are included on the list at legal system. Better served as a navbox. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:14, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Laws by culture/organization, that is. -LauraCC (talk) 22:58, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

USS Enterprise visitors

For any individuals (non-Starfleet, in particular) who visited the USS Enterprise-NCC-1701, without belonging to its crew complement. (Have I suggested this before?) Many people (but not all) that Kirk\Pike and crew interact with do visit the ship in person, willingly or unwillingly, with permission or without. People like Sevrin, Harcourt Fenton Mudd, Khan, John Christopher, Lenore Karidian, etc. -LauraCC (talk) 23:48, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, we don't have any other categories like this and I seriously doubt if it would actually improve organization. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I suppose this could be a list page, with year headings. Or not. -LauraCC (talk) 01:44, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Statuses

"Statuses", which would have "Alerts" as a subcategory, and include missing/killed/wounded in action, status report, duty status, online, offline, conscious, unconscious, active, inactive, sick, healthy, etc. -LauraCC (talk) 20:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for now. This seems far too broad and ill-defined, although I could be convinced otherwise. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Recreation technology

• Probability device
• Slot machine
• Horgl
• Arcade game
• Nintendo Switch
• Americana III

• Computer game
• Entertainment tape

Holographic technology can be a subcategory of this. -LauraCC (talk) 22:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, not enough to warrant a category, doesn't significantly aid navigation, holo-tech isn't exclusively used for recreation. 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)