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Please make sure you have read and understood Memory Alpha's category approval policy before editing this page. Category suggestions can be used to suggest a single category, multiple categories in the same "tree branch" or "parent category," or to determine which categories will contain or be contained by other categories. From there, they may either be approved and enacted by moving the discussion from this page to the new category's talk page, or, if not approved, moving the discussion from here to the category suggestion archive.

One of the reasons we discuss categories first is because we need to ensure that the category tag, when circumstances call for it, contains the correct sort keys to arrange the list in a predetermined order.

This page is broken down into sections:

  • In-universe categories: These categories are intended to be used for in-universe articles, and should be named to maintain Memory Alpha's POV.
  • Production POV categories: These categories are for use on production articles, which are written from the real world POV, and as such should be have the {{real world}} template on them.
  • Maintenance categories: These categories are used in the maintenance of Memory Alpha, and would include the audio and image files for example. These categories can have either a in-universe or real world POV.

In-universe categories

Production POV categories

Comics sub-breakdown

The Comics category is starting to get rather large at almost 1000 articles. The comics that have been published over the years have come from (thus far) a handful of publishers, so one possibility to make it a bit more manageable would be to break them down based on that, such as "Marvel Comics", "DC Comics", "WildStorm Comics", "IDW Publishing Comics", "Gold Key Comics", etc.

Titles/Issues/Volumes/etc that are printed by more than one publisher would have each publisher's category on them.

Further possible breakdowns (that could be instead of or in addition to) could include "miniseries comics" (for those of less than 6 issues), "ongoing comics", "one-shot comics". These would fall in-line with the "comics collections" category.

Thoughts? -- sulfur (talk) 14:51, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

I would prefer the publisher categories, but restricted to just the first one. We can just have a note on the categories that it only contains the comics first published by them. - Archduk3 15:26, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Maintenance categories

Image categories for individual characters

I'm bringing back an old suggestion to implement individual categories for each major character (see here). I've been told it's already been implemented in Memory Beta (as seen here) and it would be extremely helpful not only to create subdivisions in the extremely populated Category:Memory Alpha images (Humans), but also create a more user-friendly method to find all the pictures of their favorite characters. What do you think? | Pedronog (talk) 23:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Support -- for the series main casts (i.e. Kirk, Riker, Hoshi, etc.), as I agree Category:Images of Humans is so large (11,000+) it's essentially unnavigable. Per Memory Alpha:Image use policy, "Memory Alpha is not an image gallery!", but I think this would serve to organize what needs organized, and provide a gallery of sorts for those interested. We'll continue to remove superfluous/duplicate images. Would we then put "Category:Memory Alpha images (William T. Riker)" under "Category:Memory Alpha images (Human individuals)" under Category:Memory Alpha images (Humans)? - AJHalliwell (talk) 15:44, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I think we should indeed do that. But what about The Doctor? Would "Category:Memory Alpha images (The Doctor)" be simultaneously under "Category:Memory Alpha images (Human individuals)" and under "Category:Memory Alpha images (Human holograms)"? Is that OK? | Pedronog (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

The "images (The Doctor)" category should fall under "Category:Memory Alpha images (Human holograms)"; where all current images of The Doctor should be. For Humans, I recommend a "Human individuals" subcategory. For alien mains, with there being far fewer, maybe they could fall under the species category since there would only be a few (i.e. "images (Worf)" under "images (Klingons)" instead of "images (Klingon individuals)".) - AJHalliwell (talk) 23:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Just for example's sake, the Memory Beta equivalent starts at http://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Memory_Beta_images_(regular_and_recurring_characters) and trees down from there. Obviously it can't be a total carbon copy because of minor differences in naming conventions and major differences in subject matter, but it's grown pretty well with organic adds -- captainmike 22:56, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

This should be approved by now, right? | Pedronog (talk) 18:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

As nice as it would be to (mostly) duplicate MB's category tree for this, we really can't because Category:Memory Alpha images (Humans) is an in-universe category, whereas the MB categories are real-world POV (i.e. Memory Beta images (regular and recurring characters) -> Memory Beta images (DS9 regular and recurring characters), etc.). We *can* mirror the ones below there, though, since Memory Alpha images (Julian Bashir) as a sub-cat of Memory Alpha images (Humans) doesn't veer into RW territory. But bearing that in mind, I'd say go for it, at least for the main characters with lots of images. -- Renegade54 (talk) 18:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Before we go live with this, I'd suggest doing the following:
  1. Make a page with a list of each of the main characters (I'd suggest starting with Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, and Uhura as a trial)
  2. List each image that would go into each of those categories
Once that's done, we can run a bot on these rather than requiring an individual to edit several hundred image pages. That'll give us an idea of scope and size for these categories I think. Then we can start growing out series by series moving forward. -- Sulfur (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm sure there are a few mistakes, but to get started I compiled: User:AJHalliwell/Images by character, primarily based on the "what links here" files for the main performer's page. - AJHalliwell (talk) 21:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I added just a couple of pictures to Kirk. Are we going to consider every single image where a piece of Shatner is seen, while playing Kirk?

For instance, what if he's really small? Like in here:

Or only showing his back? Like these ones:

And do we count images where only his hand is being seen?

Pedronog (talk) 08:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

My understanding would be anytime "Category:Images of Humans" would otherwise be used; so yes for really small, yes for only his back, but no for only his hand, because those are not illustrating a Human, they're illustrating an object. Similarly, if an image of a stunt double is depicting the stunt double - it's not considered an in-universe image of Kirk, it should be written from real world perspective as an image depicting the stunt double. And Marta imitating Kirk is not an image of Kirk. This is also a good reminder that, in group photos, the bot will need to make sure it leaves on "Category:Images of Humans" and not just replace. - AJHalliwell (talk) 04:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Got it! | Pedronog (talk) 06:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

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