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==Nominations with objections==
==Nominations with objections==
=== [[Worf (Colonel)]] ===
The article is well written and thoroughly covers the Worf of the TOS generation. I don't believe there is any other information that could be added, so I think it should be a FA. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 06:23, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - I think this is a nice article which concisely covers what we know about the character, in canon, background and apocrypha. &ndash;[[User:Cleanse|Cleanse]] <small><sup>( [[User talk:Cleanse|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Cleanse|contribs]] )</sup></small> 07:48, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
*Not an oppose, but after first reading I was a little confused by some of the wording in the Apocrypha section. It should be made more clear whether each "Worf" mentioned there means TOS-Worf or TNG-Worf, either by prefixing with "the younger/older" where necessary, or by other forms of rephrasing. -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 10:42, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully my last edit cleared any confusion up. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 11:13, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Nicely done indeed. --[[User:31dot|31dot]] 11:17, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
:Good job, overall. The last note in the bg info section could still do with the addition of a page number, though. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 12:35, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
:I'm also wondering if that's the best image we can obtain of him. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 14:21, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''', nice terse piece...took the liberty to add a quote and source...--[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] 15:37, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
:I'm now thinking some (at the least) of the text in the fourth paragraph (the one that currently starts, "''On the opportunity to play a role in the film[...]''") should be edited out, as it seems much more relevant to the actor page(s) than this character one. I'd also like to suggest some more script info be added &ndash; i.e., changed premises between the character as written in the screenplay and as shown on-screen &ndash; as well as (possibly) a better picture. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 17:17, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
If there's more info to add, or a better image, we should add it. I could go either way with the bg info in question as well, as it's ostensibly about the actor while playing the character, though I think it adds some depth to the other statements about being able to play the role. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 23:39, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
:I'm currently very enthusiastic about the sense of community in editing this article &ndash; very good stuff! :) I'll try and add some more script info (if no-one else gets to it first). --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 23:44, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
::Checked the specials on the special edition DVD, while there was no additional info, there were some nice behind-the-scenes stills, which are duly added :)...While I see Defiant´s point concerning the BGinfo bit, the reason why I added it was that my personal feelings are that it indeed adds some depth, as Dorn´s remarks were specifically made while playing the role, but I´m also fine either way...[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] 13:17, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
*I find that quite funny as, obviously, Dorn's comments were made after-the-fact &ndash; they're in the past tense and he likely would have had a hard time saying them while his mouth was full of the character's lines of dialog (i.e., while he ''actually'' was "playing the part"). For the time being, I've decided to '''oppose''' this article. Not only does it need some more work, but there's clearly also an issue of stability. I also have problems with the new images Sennim's now added to the bg info, as I was under the impression that publicity stills were disallowed, and the shot of Dorn on the set doesn't seem to add anything substantial &ndash; it's just a picture of him in costume and makeup, the exact same thing that can be seen in the episode. It's a promising start, though, and I believe the article has a lot of potential. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 13:32, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
I would agree that stability has become an issue, so on those grounds alone this really isn't going to pass muster right now. That said, I would rather leave it here for the rest of time allowed before starting the PR, since hopefully we can get whatever work this needs done before it looses the spotlight as it were.
Publicity photos for the sake of publicity photos are discouraged, but they aren't flatly disallowed as far as I know. There might be a case for the image elsewhere, it is a nice shot of the script on the glove, but it does seem to just be another shot of Worf as far as this article is concerned. That said, it was suggested that a better image of Worf might be needed, which could be a reason to keep it. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 14:05, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
::I'm curious, that publicity stills are not allowed in the in-universe POV section makes sense, is the discouragement policy also applicable for the production POV sections?--[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] 14:17, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:::The problem with publicity stills is that a) they are, strictly speaking, not canon and b) often of inferior quality because they are scans of prints (which seems to be the case here, too). That doesn't mean they must not be used at all, though - I think the current use in a background section is definitely possible, it just shouldn't be put in the main content (including sidebar). -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 14:20, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
::I realized that, so that's exactly why I put it there:)...[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] 14:25, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with Archduk &ndash; that, in this case, the publicity still doesn't seem to really add anything substantial to the article. This is currently the same problem with the picture of Dorn just standing on the set, though this could be given more context by possibly stating that Dorn did not wear his ceremonial cloak costume-piece for the Camp Khitomer scenes. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 14:29, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:I've now uploaded a new image for the sidebar. The design of his [[cranial ridge]]s are hard to make out, though, so perhaps the publicity still could still be kept for that reason. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 15:05, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that new version is worse than the one we had before. It's smaller, slightly fuzzy and has not enough contrast. -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 15:11, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:I agree it's worse in those aspects, but it seems to be the best view of him in the film. Unlike the last version, his mouth isn't contorted, the image doesn't cut off a portion of his head and there's nothing extraneous in the background. I also like that it shows him square-on, with a good view of the Klingonese lettering on his costume. There may be a more agreeable image, but the last version clearly had to go. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 15:18, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:It should be noted, too, that the last version was also a bit fuzzy. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 15:22, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's either between that shot (the one from which originates the image I've uploaded) or the one where he says, "''Captain Kirk has not been identified as the assassin.''" --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 15:29, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
There really isn't a "good" shot of Worf in canon except this one, since he's either in the middle of saying something of off to the side in the shot. I've upped the quality, which should take care of the fuzziness. There really isn't anything that can be done about the rest though. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 15:45, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, Archduk. I do agree that there are no spectacular shots of him in the movie, with the new version being about the best available. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 16:04, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think the comments about Dorn's love of TOS and TNG were relevant enough to warrant quotes (the comments were certainly not directly relevant), and neither were his remarks on [[Christopher Plummer]] and [[Rosana DeSoto]]. I've therefore tried to summarize these parts, while also attempting to make that paragraph more relevant to the character ''Dorn'' played. The removed quotes can be added to the relevant pages, giving optional context, rather than providing that context in such an inappropriate manner. --[[User:Defiant|Defiant]] 11:45, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

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