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Nominations without objections
Sixth UK Story Arc
Self-nominate. I created this article and put some work into it, and I feel that it is above average. Thoughts? -- Connor Cabal 14:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Nominations with objections
James Moriarty (hologram)
In my opinion, a well written and structured article about the character. Gives a good insight as to his creation, and his want to leave the holodeck. I think it is worth FA status --Nmajmani 19:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. 31dot 01:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm assuming that's a vote for "support," then? ;) --From Andoria with Love 08:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it is. :) Upon rereading, I would question as to whether or not we know for certain that he was the 'first sentient hologram known to Starfleet'. Created by, perhaps, but who's to say another ship didn't encounter an alien sentient hologram?31dot 22:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Although there is room for speculation in that manner, I think it's ben pretty well established that he was the first sentient one. Don't go by me completely though. I have only seen TOS, TNG, and about half of DS9, VOY, and ENT. So there are things I could have missed. :) --Nmajmani 23:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it is. :) Upon rereading, I would question as to whether or not we know for certain that he was the 'first sentient hologram known to Starfleet'. Created by, perhaps, but who's to say another ship didn't encounter an alien sentient hologram?31dot 22:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral. It's certainly complete and thorough but the writing is a little plodding and I think it might benefit from having better organization, even headings, a la Tekeny Ghemor. Logan 5 15:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I added subheadings and another background note. -Nmajmani 21:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral. It's good, certainly, but I don't see why it isn't "James Moriarty (Hologram)" with a separate page for the fictional character alone. In a sense, the original, fictional Moriarty and the later, sentient one are completely separate individuals, so why is there one page encompassing both. If Will and Thomas Riker can get separate pages... Has this point been raised before and missed by myself? --Jayunderscorezero 19:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose: The "(hologram)" thing is a great point, J_0. I wondered that myself some time ago, but never did anything about it. Disregarding that, as it stands right now the article has its problems. It's mildly linked (I would like more links), sectioned off lightly, and wierdly (no intro paragraph? What the heck is that?!... also, no sub-sections). If it truely is to be a combination of the two "separate" Moriarty's, it doesn't include full information provided. In fact, some of the info in the Background section was in fact mentioned in the episode ("Elementary, Dear Data"). Additionally, the overall read seems more like episode summaries, rather than focusing just on the character (to be fair, all statements are at least partially related to his storyline). I've seen better featured articles for lesser-seen characters, and in my opinion, this article needs major re-working to be along those lines.--Tim Thomason 00:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- OK. I think I'll split the article into Moriarty and Moriarty (hologram). Also, I'll adress your concerns during the split. --Nmajmani 17:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: I would not split up the article. I as far as I am concerned there is only one Moriarty, period. That he started out as a hologram and later on became sentient makes no difference. Being a hologram is his personal history. It would be the same as creating different articles about Jean-Luc Picard age 10, age 25 etc... Just incorperate both, being a hologram and a sentient being, into one article is the best way to go. -- Q 17:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to clarify my statement, I wasn't making a hologram/sentient being divide, after all, the sentient Moriarty is still a hologram of sorts, I was making a disctinction between the hologram and the fictional character from the original novels, which are mentioned in canon. The Moriarty from the novels certainly never went on to become a sentient being. --Jayunderscorezero 21:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Aha, thanks for the clarification :) Even so, I think the novell Moriarty, the one thought up by Conan Doyle, and reffered to in the episodes does not need a seperate article. A footnote should suffice but that's my POV -- Q 21:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to clarify my statement, I wasn't making a hologram/sentient being divide, after all, the sentient Moriarty is still a hologram of sorts, I was making a disctinction between the hologram and the fictional character from the original novels, which are mentioned in canon. The Moriarty from the novels certainly never went on to become a sentient being. --Jayunderscorezero 21:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: I would not split up the article. I as far as I am concerned there is only one Moriarty, period. That he started out as a hologram and later on became sentient makes no difference. Being a hologram is his personal history. It would be the same as creating different articles about Jean-Luc Picard age 10, age 25 etc... Just incorperate both, being a hologram and a sentient being, into one article is the best way to go. -- Q 17:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Request to Suspend I want to split this article into the James Moriarty book character and James Moriarty hologram. Reference was made to the original character, and I wish to suspend voting, or close voting until the split has been properly made. Both characters deserve their respective pages. Please either deny or confirm suspension --Nmajmani 23:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- You could move the whole voting process to Nominations Archive and remove the {{fac}} from the article. When the objections are not resolved this would happen anyway. As for the splitup. I don't see why as, as far as I know, there were only two episodes which mentioned Moriarty. Besides that, the hologram is derived from the book character so why seperate the two. -- Q 08:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- The hologram was originally nothing more than a book character, and that book character still existed as a seperate entity. He can be called in a regular program. But then a sentient entity seperate of the character was created. It does not matter if the book character only appeared in one episode, but he was referenced to. I mean, we have a Holmes and Watson article, even though both were played by Data and Geordi. I will do the split today. This article will be for the 'James Moriarty (hologram)' article. I ask an administrator to archive it on the appropriate page, and then in a week or so, I will re-nominate, after adressing the issues above. --Nmajmani 11:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- You could move the whole voting process to Nominations Archive and remove the {{fac}} from the article. When the objections are not resolved this would happen anyway. As for the splitup. I don't see why as, as far as I know, there were only two episodes which mentioned Moriarty. Besides that, the hologram is derived from the book character so why seperate the two. -- Q 08:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- I just split the article. I have re-likned this nomination to the page for the sentient hologram. --Nmajmani 15:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)