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Nominations without objections

Rene Auberjonois

Self-nomination (sort of) Possibly the first actor page to be nominated as a featured article, the page for our pal Odo is about as complete as it gets. Although I did not create the initial article, I have throroughly rewritten and expanded the article to its present state. As you can see, it not only describes his roles on Trek, but also throroughly covers major his non-Trek credits, including those which also involved other Trek alumni. All necessary biographical information is present, as well, and it also includes a Trivia section. I wish I could take credit for the nifty "Additional characters" montage, though. --From Andoria with Love 08:08, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Great job with the actor page, now how about giving Odo himself a makeover? Come on, the Odo page looks shorter than some of the one-episode characters! But seriously, great job on the page. I'll read it tomorrow - I just had to rant about Odo's page before I go to bed. :) I would do it myself, but I'm not familiar enough with the later seasons of DS9, plus I have the Cardies to deal with first. --Schrei 08:36, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Shran and others have created a good article there. Tough Little Ship 13:13, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Definitely well researched, and even some Jeopardy info like the part about his relation to Napoleon. --Schrei 15:01, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Tobyk777 00:13, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • I changed the article slightly since I nominated it. I think it looks better this way. It shouldn't affect any previous votes, but I just thought I'd mention it. --From Andoria with Love 02:05, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • You misrepresented yourself! The article should be put up for deletion! But actually, I think it's distracting to get through all that info about him and then see the TOC. Maybe it will flow better if you make a separate section(s) for the bio info. --Schrei 02:16, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Hm, I dunno, I'll try it. Oh, and I'm assuming you were kidding about the deletion thing. ;) --From Andoria with Love 02:23, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, how's it look now? :-) --From Andoria with Love 02:32, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Much better - and as for the deletion comment... Hmm, I plead the fifth. --Schrei 02:40, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nog

I think this article has come a long way with a lot of work from different users. It's a good character, and a chance for at least one aspect of the Ferengi to be represented in the FA lists. I was the anon. user who originally added the structure to the article and since then a lot more has been done. Most major events are there, including his participation in several key events of the Dominion War, notably the The Siege of AR-558. All in all, I think it deserves consideration. Logan 5 02:27, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • it reads well, but i'm wondering because it links to The Siege of AR-558 as an event in the article. should there be a separate page called Siege of AR-558 for that? the link points to the episode page. Makon 04:03, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Tobyk777 04:20, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nominations with objections

Ferengi

perfect in every way BajoranBrouhaha 09:06, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Oppose. It's an extensive article but hardly perfect. I'd personally like to see a bit more on their culture. I don't think that the references are complete either.--Scimitar 00:57, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose Yes I am oppsoing this one contrary to popular belief that I support everything. There is no list of appearances. The article has no link to the rules of Aquisition that I can find. The refrences are incomplete. There is no list of Ferangi, or at least a link to another aticle with a list. Tobyk777 02:11, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment - Did you read the article? There is at least one link to the Rules, and there is a link to a list of Ferengi (see the People section). And the references are pretty darn near complete, at least from all of the major Ferengi episodes on DS9. I'm sure there are some missing but most likely they are off-hand references in episodes that don't focus on the Ferengi. If they are missing, I'm hoping someone like yourself will put them in. A list of appearances would be good though... Logan 5 16:23, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • I did read the article completely. I didn't see a link to the rules or to a list a ferangi. I might have glaced over it while reading. Let me also point out that in the comment ;preceeding this one you used the phrase "I'm sure there are some missing" that means that it's incomplete. Tobyk777 00:16, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • "that means that it's incomplete." Uh-huh, which is one of my stated reasons for opposing it below. I was only pointing out that two of your reasons were inaccurate. Logan 5 03:34, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
          • I think that someone went in and revised it. now I count 3 links to the rules. I didn't see any before. Tobyk777 04:30, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment - I think this should be removed, based on the fact it was nomiated by a blocked user. --Alan del Beccio 05:35, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • How can a blocked user nominate something? They're blocked, right?
        • Well, that would be because they were blocked after they nominated it because they turned out to be a vandal...also, please remember to sign your comments with --~~~~. Thanks, Alan del Beccio
  • Mild Oppose. I did a lot of work on this page myself but I feel like it's a bit wordy and probably does not capture many references from episodes that don't focus on the Ferengi (though I'm almost positive that all of the major eps are there). I'd feel more comfortable supporting the nomination after some other users had a go-round on the article to make sure there aren't important pieces of info missing. Logan 5 16:23, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. You know, even though I have a slight opposition to this article in its current state, I have to wonder how Bolians can be a featured article with such relatively little content and almost nothing in depth, and yet Ferengi is not worth it? The Bolian article is almost entirely anectdotal and yet certainly there is more known about the Ferengi, and the article is more complete, than many we've seen as FAs. I'm just starting to wonder if people just don't like the Ferengi. Just a thought/observation.
  • Mild Oppose. It is an extensive, well-written and well-researched article, but it just seems... incomplete to me. As Scimitar pointed out, more info on their culture would be nice. And as Gvsualan pointed out... this was nominated by a now-banned user. --From Andoria with Love 02:57, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Latinum

  • A long and detailed list of all the uses of Latinum. I don't know how long this article has been on MA, but I was extremely impressed by it! --Defiant | Talk 14:48, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Neutral. It's a very good article, and very well researched. I doubt, though, if it's really an example of "the best of Memory Alpha's community work". I don't know, but for some reason this article doesn't really fit with my idea of what an FA should be. As I have no valid reason to oppose, though, I do not. Ottens 22:25, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment, I would just like to add, that the fact that it is so thoroughly researched makes it a prime example, because that shows a lot of effort went into this, versus simply watching an episode and just sequentially writing what happened in it...where there is, in effect, no research taking place. With this article, however, there is a great deal of organization, cross referencing and so forth, which indicates a great deal of effort was made in compiling and constructing this article. --Alan del Beccio 22:38, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment This is a very good article, but in some places there are no links, even on text where the link would be obvious. Tobyk777 01:45, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • A few more Comments On the article's talk page, it says that the part about USD conversion rates was deleted. I think that this should be put back in. It's what gives people who read the article a way to see how much latnum is really worth. Also, about the issue on the talk page as to whether gold is valuable to Ferangi, i would say yes. In "Little Green Men" Quark agrees to take gold in compensaion for technology. But there are other items sources given which contrict this. This should be added to the contridctary info page on Ten foward. Tobyk777 22:56, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment, there's a part that says "Values to be evaluated", doesn't that mean it's not in fact complete? - AJHalliwell 23:12, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Support: nature decays but latinum lasts forever. BajoranBrouhaha 09:07, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Can a quote of the rules be a reason to support? Tobyk777 02:14, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Neutral I can't support this article until the part in the talk page that was deleted is put back. Without the comparison to US dollars there is no way for readers to acuratly visulize how much latnium is worth. Tobyk777 02:14, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't recall it ever being given a value to US dollars. --Alan del Beccio 05:35, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • Regardless of wheather it was given a precise value, the speculation in that section seems acurate, and really clears things up. Tobyk777 16:35, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • I believe the usage of the words "speculation" and "seems acurate" in the same reference is a contradiction, sir. US dollars should not be mentioned whatsoever unless US dollars were so mentioned. That entire section was validly moved because it was clearly stated as "speculation", and has no confirmed basis in the Trek universe. --Alan del Beccio 17:23, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
          • The factual basis for the section is non-existant, I know, but it's still a good section. It's the part of the article that really gives readers an idea of how much latnium is really worth. Tobyk777 01:11, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
            • Hardly. It's speculation. It doesn't belong here. Period. --Alan del Beccio 05:20, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As impressive as the article is and as much as it taught me (I always wondered how they measure this stuff), I really don't think laundry lists should be featured. It's a great article, but it just coesn't come out at the reader. If there was some kind of substantive history or a story behind how latinum became a currency, I'd reconsider, but as it stands right now, this just isn't featured material. --Schrei 19:15, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Besides, aside from the one vote (which was added by a vandal with a rationale I really don't think qualifies), this is turning into another Henry Starling - which it seemed like everyone had an opinion on but no one wanted to oppose because they seemed afraid someone would disagree with them. :P --Schrei 19:18, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I was actually going to oppose this as well because the article reads like a shopping list to me too, despite the effort that went into this article. It may have been researched thoroughly but IMHO it is ultimately unremarkable. I just wasn't sure if you'd consider that to be a valid reason.--Scimitar 23:02, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • In all honesty I think a well researched, thorough article is far more creditable than an episode summary. In fact, as feasable as it may be, do we really want 700 featured articles on episodes? I don't. I would like to have some featured articles appear based on things that are more than mere a regurgatation of what I just watched, like a compilation on an individual, a object or an event. I personally would like to see a limitation on featured episodes and a rebound back into the way F/A were 6 months ago...based on people and things. --Alan del Beccio 05:20, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • I agree with you about the episode summaries, even though I wrote several of them. However, I still don't think this particular article is featured material. --Schrei 15:14, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • I never said that I wanted this as a featured article, I'm just giving reasons why this has all the elements to be one. --Alan del Beccio 04:24, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Just doesn't seem like a featured article to me, the content is pretty scatter-shot and not really remarkable. Plus most of it is just a list. Logan 5 16:30, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
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