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Klingon weapon Photos

File:Kling ghonDoq.jpg File:Kling chuHwI'.jpg 6 image links removed...

They all come from http://www.klingonimperialweaponsguild.org

The site has this Notice at the bottom:

"This page is for personal, recreational and non profit use. *Klingon* is a copyright item and the property of Paramount Studios and the Estate of Gene Roddenberry. No infringement on those rights are intended.

All knife images and articles are the property of K'Daq (Richard Robin) , K'Beck (Tim Coy) and the KIWG (unless otherwise indicated) and may not be used without permission." - <unsigned with a probe>

Well, if we want to keep them, then we could ask those people for permission. do we want to keep them? --Bp 01:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Good question. I am personally a fan of doing just screencaps, but many of these do not have a good screencap possibility. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 01:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

If we NEED a shot of one of these, then get permission, but screenies are preferred. --6/6 _{Neural Transceiver} 05:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Has anybody asked permission to use these images or at least tried to look for actual screencaps? It's been over two months; we need to do something with these. --From Andoria with Love 10:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Moved from copyvio page, can we get these replaced with the best caps we can find and delete these? --Alan 02:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The images can be used on MemoryAlpha regardless of conditions set forth on the website as MemoryAlpha claims fair use (which "is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work" -Wikipedia) I guess a tag needs to be created though... Mafeu 22:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As has been said elsewhere, "fair use" is not blanket permission to use any and all copyrighted material. We do not feel that this falls under "fair use". --OuroborosCobra ^talk 23:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As well, screen caps would much be preferred, as well as some confirmation as to indicate proof of their existence. --Alan 00:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

If someone wants to try to contact them to get permission, here are eMail addresses I found in the above link.

K'Daq <kdaq@kingwoodcable.com>

K'Beck <K-beck.tai.DevnoH@usa.net>

Editor3000 20:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted all but like two that still need to be replaced with screencaps. --Alan 03:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone ever confirm these ever appeared on screen at any point? --Alan del Beccio 23:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Kang, James T. Kirk, Spock.jpg / Image:Sulu in engineering.jpg

replace Image:Kang, James T. Kirk, Spock.jpg with a large image of Image:Sulu in engineering.jpg and rename. --Alan 02:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Go for it. ;) --From Andoria with Love 15:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate images - VOY:Bliss - Telepathic pitcher plant

Duplicate images, all showing the "Telepathic pitcher plant", some in combination with different starships. It's hard to distinguish the individual starhips anyway, so I guess we don't need all four images. Probably just 1 or max. 2 need to be kept. (2) has the best filename (which should be kept), but the worst image quality, so one of the other three should be re-uploaded there. Then, two or all three of the others could probably be removed. -- Cid Highwind 12:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Move #4 or #3 to #2's file name. Delete #1 and which ever one wasn't moved. #4 has more of the pitcher plant so that should probably be the one that remains, although #3 looks niftier. --From Andoria with Love 14:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate images - VOY:Bliss - Organism schematic

(1) and (2) are near-duplicate images. Considering filenames, I suggest deletion of (2). (3) is not an exact duplicate, but not showing much new content either. Deletion of that one up for discussion, I guess. -- Cid Highwind 12:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Keep Image:Voy TPP Astro.jpg. Delete the others. --From Andoria with Love 14:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I merged that image over to Image:Bioplasmicorganism.jpg. So the wrong one didnt get deleted. --Alan del Beccio 04:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate images - VOY:Future's End - Observatory+statue

Three images, showing an observatory with statue in front (1), a closeup of the statue (3), and something in-between (2). (2) can probably be orphaned by replacing it with one of the others, then deleted. -- Cid Highwind 09:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I had actually question this here. I suppose the two that are intended to show the persons could be cropped. --Alan 04:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Keep. Yes, there is a reason why I uploaded three pictures, so we could get images of the astronomers depicted on the statues. I expanded the article around the time when the Griffith Observatory was re-opened and thought it couldn't hurt to have an article a little more extensive about this LA landmark that appeared in Trek and also was used several times for various wrap parties. --Jörg 09:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

"Implied rank" images

Image:US o-1 rank pin.png
Image:US o-7 rank pin.png
Image:US o-8 rank pin.png
Image:EnsignStripe.png

These three images (all tagged with "pna-cite" for some time now) were deleted without discussion. After that, undeletion has been requested, and I undeleted these images. Discussion about this can be found here, here and here.

I undeleted these images following undeletion policy - however, I think the rationale for deletion of these images has its merits. They weren't shown, so we don't really need an image for it. -- Cid Highwind 21:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

~~Very much against deletion~~ DELETE 2nd Lieutenant/Ensign, KEEP all General ranks: I am being kind of a pain-in-the butt about this because other images (like this one) have been allowed to exist since they are implied by the rank schemes in which they appear. As far as the images above go, a one and two star general insignia is very clearly implied since we have flat out seen three and four star generals. The 2nd Lieutenant is a little bit harder to defend, but the principal is the same. And, I say again, if these images go then why are we allowing all of the upper Admiral insignia shown in Starfleet ranks to stay in that table. The ranks have never been seen, the insignia never discussed, but there the images are in the table. If thats good enough for Starfleet ranks, why not United States military insignia? Against deleting. -FleetCaptain 21:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

A point to consider would be the fact that we are a Star Trek wiki, not a US military wiki. All other things being equal, it would just not be as important to have a "locigal but unseen" US military rank on this wiki as it would be having a "logical but unseen" Starfleet rank. However, I see where you're coming from in regard to the Starfleet ranks article. At the very least, the conjectural nature of those ranks should be emphasized somehow. -- Cid Highwind 22:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

COMMENT: I have changed my vote up above to get rid of the 2nd Lieutenant bar. 2LT as well as Ensign cant be defended since the color change wouldnt be that obvious and the names of the ranks themselves could be called into question. However, with that given, I have changed the article to reflect that the general ranks are listed as "one star", "two star", "three star", "four star". By the strict letter of the law, in DS9: "Little Green Men", we did actually see a one and two star insignia on camera: they were part of the single three star insignia. I know that is streching it, but Spock would say that logic dictates that if we have a 3 and 4 star general then we must also have a 1 and 2 star general. We also know from the real world that this is in fact the case. So, with the change in names for the general ranks and the get-ridding-of the O-1 positions which aren't ever seen or talked about, that can wrap it all up, I think. Do people agree? -FleetCaptain 14:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Delete Although I see where you are coming for to keep this images, I agree with Cid Highwind. We are a Star Trek Wiki. On another note, these rank insignia are not really necessary to illustrate the respective pages where they belong. And one thing to keep in mind is that, in the Star Trek point of view, we have no idea if one or two stars are even the correct insignia. Obvioussly we know as the real-world point of view, but it is not common for discrepencies at a specific point in rank.

I can appreciate the logic about the unseen insignia having to get the can, but this really is a double standard. It appears we are "breaking our own regulations when they become inconvienent" (TNG: "The Measure Of A Man") saying that its okay for us to have conjectured insignia on the Starfleet ranks article but not on another article about United States military ranks. And, I say again, in the case of the general ranks, having a three and a four star appear on screen is solid proof in my view that a one and a two star rank (and insignia) must exist. Perhaps we can put them in a background section, but my original argument stands that implied ranks have been allowed to appear in other articles so why not this one. -FleetCaptain 23:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

E.G. When I started watching TNG, I developed a little fan site on my computer. Now when I started, I didn't know that an admiral had a long, square like pin, and assumed they wore 5 pips as rank determenation. Obvioussly, I learned later that it was a decorative rectangle. I don't know how much relevance that has, but that's why I always took caution to make sure things appear on screen.

~~I guess that last part was a bit rambling, but that is why I am voting Delete --Nmajmani 23:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)~~

I am going to refine my decision here. FleetCaptain does make a good point. If we keep them in a background note that states that there exact use is not know, I think we can kep them. I just don't want a speedy asumption that they are for the ranks directly beneath them. --Nmajmani 00:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

REQUEST TO CLOSE: With no further comments on the issue, and as the original uploader (CaptianMike) hasnt had anything further to add, I move that this discussion be closed with the General Stars being kept and the 2nd Lieutenant/Ensign insignia being deleted. Thank you. -FleetCaptain 16:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:TheEntities-UI.jpg

so far, a personal image. --Alan del Beccio 10:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Delete - Adm. Enzo Aquarius...I'm listening 21:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Worf bathing suit.jpg

Unused. A joke? --Alan del Beccio 10:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded for a "Picture of the Day"-page, I think, from which it already has been removed again. I think we agreed to only use images we already use elsewhere, not upload "joke" images for PotD only. Delete, unless there's some other good use for it. -- Cid Highwind 10:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I can intergrate it in the actual episode's page. It was a funny moment, and we do mention hilarious moments on episode summary pages. However, if it can't be done, my current vote is also Delete --Nmajmani 11:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

KEEP Oh, come on, surely the image can be integrated into the episode summary! It is hilarious! It would be a shame to have to delete it.
– Watching...^listening... 23:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

For the time being, delete. For one thing, we can get a better resolution pic than that. For another, it was uploaded by a sock puppet solely for the purpose of going to a POTD, not an article. Both are against policy. In addition, I don't see this as being all that useful for the Worf article. It was a one time joke, not something all that indicative of his character. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 00:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I have to agree with OC. My vote for delete stands. There is just no way a picture like this could be intergrated into an article of a very serious man. --Nmajmani 00:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup of Special:Unusedimages

There have been on average around 40 list here, now we are pushing 100. Not sure if these were replaced by a new file or removed altogether by peoples who think these things just take care of themselves or what, but it is rather difficult to locate where most of these one were or why they were ever removed. Either way, many are uncited, or of poor quality or are not screencaps, and all are (apparently) unused. Feel free to post by image or section, and if necessary start a new section for mor4e valuable images. --Alan del Beccio 23:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Blanket delete for all unused images that are still unused after being placed here for the typical 5-7 days. -- Cid Highwind 10:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Non-cap

Image:Eric A Stillwell.jpg
Image:EricStillwell2006.jpg
Image:Tos-phaser1with2.jpg

ENT

Image:Defiant-NCC1764 bridge - In a Mirror, Darkly.jpg
Image:NX armory.jpg
Image:Trip Tucker and Zho'Kaan.jpg
Image:VulcanSurface1.jpg

TOS

Image:Mirrorkirk1.JPG
Image:Sulu Uhura Kirk Chekov.jpg
Image:Tricorder-2280.jpg

TNG

Image:Dixon Hill nightclub.jpg
Image:Phoenix in persuit.JPG
Image:Picard gray uniform.jpg
Image:Riker and Troi 2369.jpg
Image:Rikerclock47.jpg
Image:Romulans2379.jpg
Image:Wesley gray uniform.jpg

DS9

Image:Bashir grins at garak civil defense.jpg
Image:Cmdr sisko sets uridium fuse civil defense.jpg
Image:Dominion ship flies off.jpg
Image:Jadzia bashir kira hear alert civil defense.jpg
Image:Jake in ore processing civil defense.jpg
Image:KiraNerysOccupation.jpg
Image:Quark's Bar, Crossfire.jpg

VOY

Image:Borg memory cascade.jpg
Image:Kes 2374.jpg
Image:Kohlars battle cruiser bridge 2.jpg
Image:Scientific method scan.jpg
Image:Seven reports to Chakotay.jpg
Image:Seven janeway shower human error.jpg
Image:Voyager bridge powers down.jpg

2new.jpg

Image:2new.jpg: Similar to Image:Leaving the barrier tosr.jpg, where this exact image (promotional image) has been located before, before being replaced with an actual screenshot. Image is orphaned. -- Cid Highwind 18:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

USS Enterprise in 2265.jpg

Image:USS Enterprise in 2265.jpg

This suffers the same problem as Image:2new.jpg, this is a promotional, not a screencap. In fact, it is the SAME promotional, just cropped. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 12:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete. -- Sulfur 19:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete--Skon 19:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:CLIP0002 0001.jpg

Image:CLIP0002 0001.jpg

This image was, according to the citation, uploaded for a user page. Something we don't do according to our image use policy. It's also not exactly kosher Trek. -- Sulfur 19:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

@@ Line 190: / Line 190: @@
 This suffers the same problem as [[:Image:2new.jpg]], this is a promotional, not a screencap. In fact, it is the SAME promotional, just cropped. --[[User:OuroborosCobra|OuroborosCobra]] <sup>[[User Talk:OuroborosCobra|<span style="color:#00FF00;">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 :'''Delete'''. -- [[User:Sulfur|Sulfur]] 19:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
+:'''Delete'''--[[User:Skon|Skon]] 19:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 ==Image:CLIP0002 0001.jpg==