Duplicate phaser sweep

Image:AntiChangelingPhaserDevice.JPG or Image:Phaser sweep.jpg

One features Odo still as a plant, the other is Odo in mid-morph. Personally, I prefer mid-morph. But having both doesn't seem necessary. - AJ Halliwell 07:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I combined the two, Image:Phaser sweep finds Odo.jpg. But now that I think about it, maybe they should be separate, but both kept so that they can be included one right after the other. --Bp 07:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kzinti vessel c2150s.jpg

I'm questioning the authenticity, not only of what is cited about this image, with regards to the pipedream of ENT Season 5, but also if it is appropriate to have on this site. Is this fan work or was it truely a design commissioned by Paramount? The original source of this image is --Alan del Beccio 22:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment: I am not willing to vote yet, but I second these concerns. I would like to see a more official production source that says there was a plan to use the Kzinti, and that this ship model was commissioned for that purpose. As it is, the quality of that model isn't too great. I know a lot of ametuers on DeviantArt who could make something equal to, or better, than this. I also don't like the choice of article this is being used in. The article is about the 23rd century police vessel, not the 22nd century one. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 22:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe I'm entitled to vote on an image I posted myself, but I will speak in it's defense:
First, as to provenance - I quote the entirety of the email I recieved from the mesh's author (with permission) -
Okay, well first I'll admit that the facts stated about Kzinti and season five are a bit over simplified. Basically, I was commissioned by writer Jimmy Diggs to design an "Enterprise" era Kzinti cruiser as part of an overall pitch to Paramount.
Jimmy had been a long time writer for Star Trek, and was looking to add his contribution to the Enterprise series. We were in our third round of talks with the producer when the show got canceled.
With the show taking a new direction, and paying more homage to the original series, they were very interested in reviving old-school favorites such as the Gorn and "original" Klingons. The Kzinti was being seriously considered as part of this revival. As for my ship design, truth be told, Paramounts people would've probably re-designed it a billion times before it hit the screen. But, still, I would've at least provided the starting point for the concept.
Second , on placement - the article title is simply "Kzinti police vessel", NOT "23rd Century Kzinti police vessel". so I feel the placement is appropriate.
Third, on model quality - obviously it isn't a "shooting quality" model. It's a "concept model" that was used as part of the story pitch. I re-quote the relevant portion of the mesh author's email - As for my ship design, truth be told, Paramounts people would've probably re-designed it a billion times before it hit the screen. But, still, I would've at least provided the starting point for the concept.
Lastly, as to appropriateness - Enterprise wasn't cancelled until 2/3 the way through the season (they were shooting IAMD at the time). Up until then, they were still actively working on story material including material for a Season 5 (Many himself had plotted out an entire ARC for the Enterprise MU, for example.) That this story was still under active consideration (indeed it made it to a THIRD round of discussions) when the "axe fell" indicates that it was not just some random pitch that was quickly dismissed by Paramount.
Would I cite this image and story as "canon", certainly NOT. But I beleive the circumstances behind it and it's provenance at least earn it a "Background/Apocrypha" mention, which is where I placed it. Capt Christopher Donovan 06:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I still disagree with placement. Your email says this was a model of Kzinti cruiser, therefore I again feel this does not belong in the article for the police vessel, as it is not a police vessel. Perhaps it would belong in the Kzinti article? Either way, I am voting keep, based on this the information provided. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 06:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment: A better suggestion is that it should be put in Star Trek: Enterprise#Background. Fact is, it isn't a police vessel. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 07:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Keep (I checked, and I AM permitted to vote) I feel that it's important to put it in one of the "Kzinti" articles itself, personally...a passing reader in a Kzinti article would be interested in the ship, but would have no idea it was even THERE if it was burried in the "ST:E Background" article. If the consensus is to place it there, then would it be acceptable to at LEAST keep a text mention of the image in the article on Background, and hyperlink to the appropriate "ST: E Background" section? As to the vessel's classification, I am a bit more flexible on that is possible that the "police vessels ONLY" treaty was signed AFTER this ship would have appeared...Capt Christopher Donovan 07:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The image has been uploaded here with permission and appears to have been legitimately created for canon production purposes. I think we can keep this one, but the image might be better place in the background section for Star Trek: Enterprise. We can talk about that at a later time, though. --From Andoria with Love 05:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The image is indeed a gem. With the proper template {{imagecopyright}} it should be allowed to stay and be included in ENT#Background as well as Kzinti#Background. A further notice to the sections could be put onto the police cruiser page. -- Kobi 12:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
By my count, that's 4 keep and 1 delete (assuming that's Al's vote)...shouldn't it come off the list now?Capt Christopher Donovan 07:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
As a great man once said, "Keep you shirt on Lieutenant" (well, in this case, "Keep your shirt on Captain"). Stuff is supposed to be hear for 7 days, and today is day 7. I'm sure someone will get around to archiving this discussion sometime today ;) --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 08:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



This is a non-canon image. It seems to be a scanned image from the Star Trek Magazine, which as I understand it is not allowed. I remember that being the problem with previous image deletions, unfortunetly there seems to not be an archive of those discussions for me to reference. I also feel there is no reason for a non-canon image. We have canon ones (they may not be good, but they are canon). --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 00:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Uh, as far as I know there is no such thing as a "canon" image of the aeroshuttle. It never actually appeared in any episode (except for the external detailing on Voyager's hull that represented it's ventral side. I've got some good quality renders posted by Rob (Ron?) Bouchune made from the model he developed (just in case) while still at Foundation that he posted on the Starshipbuilder Forums awhile back if that will help... EDIT I just looked at the image and that is one OF those images (that RB posted), if I'm not mistaken. It's about as "canon" as you're going to get, I'm afraid...Capt Christopher Donovan 09:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)editedCapt Christopher Donovan 09:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think "as canon as you are going to get" is good enough, it either is canon or it isn't. Besides, there is Image:VOY partial MSD.jpg and Image:Aeroshuttle future tense.jpg. Granted, they are not as good, but they are actual canon shots, from on screen, and not from the Magazine. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 19:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to respectfully disagree. This is the model they WOULD HAVE USED if they ever did an ep with the Aeroshuttle in it, the official Foundation Imagaing mesh. Just because they never used it doesn't make it any less official and canon in my mind. I feel also that this non-screen aired, but official image is a better depiction of the craft in question than some screen-aired but visually limited and uninformative partially seen schematic.Capt Christopher Donovan 23:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the biggest problem I have with this is that it is from the Star Trek: The Magazine. As past image deletion discussions have said (sadly they are not archived on MA, something I intend to propose they start doing), scans from the magazine do not seem to fall under "fair use". That is the primary reason I am nominating this here. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 23:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

After doing some checking, I find that that image is NOT an exact image from Rob's post at after all...I apologize for the inconvenience. I amend my vote to DELETE, and will download from the other site an image that CAN be posted under "Fair Use".Capt Christopher Donovan 00:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I went searching through the change history for this page, and I found relevent discussions for images that were deleted just for being from a published source, namely Star Trek: The Magazine. I have "archived" these discussions in my user subpage at User:OuroborosCobra/PageII#Image Deletion Discussions. Please take a look. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 00:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Gerald Ford image

Image:250px-Repub8a.jpg This image was taken from somewhere to represent Gerald Ford and it is stated on the image page that this is the "Original version of picture that was altered and used in the time stream in Storm Front Part II of Gerald Ford.'" I checked the timestream again, and Gerald Ford or the image are not in there, so I vote for Delete. --Jörg 09:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Firing aft phasers.jpg

We already have Image:Constitution class original engineering hull.jpg, which, besides obviously being better-named, contains no watermark, AND is much more clear as it shows most of the ship while the image nominated for deletion really only shows the aft part of the secondary hull. Ottens 09:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

KEEPThe purpose of the image is to illustrate the aft phasers of the secondary hull, not to showcase the hull itself. Note the placement of the picture in the article. It is superior, in my mind, to the image it replaced, because it more clearly shows the phaser banks themselves, and illustrates more clearly exactly where they are placed above the shuttlebay.
As for the watermark, I hadn't noticed it. If it's that big of a deal, then surely one of us could re-screencap the same image off of the DVD.Capt Christopher Donovan 10:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


Not sure where this uncited image came from, but it shouldn't be used to replace a screencap in the Q article. Aside from be a possible copyright violation, it is seems rather inappropriate on a website based on a TV series.... --Alan del Beccio 18:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like artwork from an album cover, or something. Either way, there are so many episodes with Q, we should be able to find a screencap of him. Delete. --OuroborosCobra talk Klingon Empire logo 19:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete. It's a cover from a book — one I can't remember for the life of me. — THOR =/\= 22:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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