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- 100% unnecessary
I don't think there is ANY reason or precedence to create this or have articles of this type whatsoever. AC/DC is the only article that should exist in reference to the song that was heard. –Gvsualan (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, so I'm not gonna lie. At the time I made this I was a little under the influence and also a little excited. As a big fan of AC/DC, when I saw the Thunderstruck page had redlinks of Angus and Malcolm, yeah, I got a little excited...maybe before giving it enough thought. I guess I just assumed that whoever made the links had intended to make the pages anyway but hadn't yet--so I went for it. Now I wouldn't go as far as saying that there's 100 percent no reason for these pages to exist...after all, they wrote the song after all. They take precedence over other band members like Simon Wright and Cliff Williams, both who's bass and drums could be heard; but they didn't write the song. Still, if we're to justify a page for them simply because they wrote songs then I'd guess we'd have to make pages for all songwriters, like for the person who wrote You Are My Sunshine or Magic Carpet Ride as well. And I admit, that'd be a little excessive. So yeah, I think I agree. Not a hundred percent, but ninety anyway. -- Noah Tall (talk) 15:48, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- If they were credited in the episode as songwriters, then they'd definitely need articles. But without credit, and with the band already credited (and both the band and song linking to the WP pages that have astoundingly more detailed information than us on the real world aspects of things), I'm not sure that level is required. -- Sulfur (talk) 15:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Also, on a slightly related topic, as they were also red-linked on the AC/DC page: an appearance in a Paramount+ promo ad isn't a reason to link to non-franchise characters/actors, ie. Mike Judge and Sylvester Stallone (el al), simply because appeared with/interacted with Star Trek characters/actors appearing in the same said ad. –Gvsualan (talk) 16:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps, although I think it might be a benefit to eventually at least make a page (or pages) that feature actors from Star Trek commercials. There's a lot of actors out there that have appeared or could be heard in Star Trek commercials or commercials that feature Star Trek characters. I'm not saying Stallone should have his own page, but maybe a link to his name would redirect to a page with him as well as all other actors from various Trek or Trek related commercials, possibly in alphabetical order similar to the Unnamed Humans etc pages, except it'd be a real world article. I personally think Memory Alpha could benefit from that, but yes, I agree, simply making two separate pages for Mike Judge and Sylvester Stallone would be a bit silly. -- Noah Tall (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- EDIT: I was thinking the page could be called Performers from Star Trek commercials and promos or something like that. -- Noah Tall (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- FWIW, those red links on the Thunderstruck page were in a {{bginfo}} section, and so as background information, shouldn't have been to in universe pages but rather to an external site like Wikipedia... if at all. -- Renegade54 (talk) 19:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Also, those aren't Star Trek commercials, they are Paramount+ commercials, so your logic is kind of backwards. --Gvsualan (talk) 01:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
- So your really gonna just pretend that two Star Trek characters were not in that Paramount+ commercial? Is it sucked into space or blown into space? Technically they're both the same. How is my logic backwards? How so, exactly? There were two Star Trek characters in that Paramount+ commercial. Or didn't you notice...yes you did. Yes, it's a Paramount+ commercial...that much is clear, but it's a Paramount+ commercial that has Star Trek characters in it. It's an advertisement for all of those shows. So it is a Star Trek commercial, among other things. It doesn't matter how you define it. If my logic is backward then...what would you suggest? I have yet to get any useful feedback. I'm not saying we need pages for every actor that appeared in the commercials, but if we have a page for New Frontier characters, which is nothing on-screen and therefore completely non-canon...why not something that actually is on screen. We have pages like Star Trek parodies and pop culture references and stuff like that...so why not? I realize that the commercials aren't canon...but the fact that they were actually a filmed production makes them closer to canon than Star Trek: New Frontier. Why not help me out instead of insulting me all the time? I'm not perfect, I'm gonna make mistakes, but even you aren't interested that doesn't mean others might not be. --- Noah Tall (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Deletion rationale[]
- Angus Young and Malcolm Young
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever these articles to exist when there is an AC/DC article. This is completely off the rails and does not conform of any past precedence and clearly shows a lack of understanding on how this site operates. –Gvsualan (talk) 15:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Discussion[]
- Agreed, delete. -- Renegade54 (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: In terms of precedence, Credits for Star Trek: First Contact does link to Rushton Moreve (re: Magic Carpet Ride). Are the Youngs listed by name in Kobayashi end credits? - AJHalliwell (talk) 15:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: They are not. As noted in the episode page. -- Sulfur (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: The "meta" line was crossed/addressed when they were named in the credits, Whereas, otherwise the current precedence here should basically follow the rule of thumb (as it technically isn't written down anywhere on MA) that we use with skirting the names of authors or painters of their associated works that appeared on Trek in the article without internally linking to that name. (That is, unless they were specifically referenced by name in canon.) Examples being Adam and Eve Expelled from Paradise or The Kiss...despite neither being consistent in how they are presented. –Gvsualan (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: They are not. As noted in the episode page. -- Sulfur (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Tom (talk)