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Deletion rationale[]
These two articles are non-canon titles for a single event that is not a battle and which I don't think contains enough unique detail to merit separate page(s). The information on this event would be more appropriately covered at Singularity (ship), being entirely centered on that ship. -- UncertainError (talk) 03:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion[]
They are kind of key to the season and - from the looks of it - set up for season three. I plan to update them more in-depth, but I haven't had the time yet. And this is similar to the Defense of Coppelius - a "non-battle" event that has major repercussions. And this and the [[Sector 9 incident]] are two separate events - Queen Agnes arrives, then they travel to Sector 9 and the transwarp conduit. -WTRiker (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Any valuable content that does or could be at "Sector 9 incident" could live on an "Unnamed wormholes"-type page or Sector 9 unless PIC Season 3 explains more (so delete/move.) Regarding the Borg Queen's ship encounter, I would comment that a page that maintains that table would still be valuable, as frustrating as fan-named battles/encounters may be. - AJHalliwell (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry. Haven't had time lately to do the big updates I want to do. I'd argue that Sector 9 incident is worthy of its own page because the BQSE is the impetus for the Sector 9 Incident - if she doesn't commandeer the ships, Q never sends them back, meaning no Jurati-Queen, and no encounter. Potential predestination paradox aside, the Sector 9 incident is likely both the set-up for S3 and is also kind of a major shift - an alternate "peaceful" Borg want to join the Federation, and the Jurati-Queen also utilized the fleet from BQSE (plus a few more ships, as Jorg noted on his Twitter) to create a "mega-shield" to absorb the radiation blast, lest it fry the heart of the Federation. --Ch00path1ng4 (talk) 06:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Speculation on what might happen in the future is not a valid rationale for editorial decisions. I reiterate that just because an event is *important* does not mean that it requires a separate article on MA. Nor is there any MA requirement that each event get a separate article, distinct or not. -- UncertainError (talk) 06:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry. Haven't had time lately to do the big updates I want to do. I'd argue that Sector 9 incident is worthy of its own page because the BQSE is the impetus for the Sector 9 Incident - if she doesn't commandeer the ships, Q never sends them back, meaning no Jurati-Queen, and no encounter. Potential predestination paradox aside, the Sector 9 incident is likely both the set-up for S3 and is also kind of a major shift - an alternate "peaceful" Borg want to join the Federation, and the Jurati-Queen also utilized the fleet from BQSE (plus a few more ships, as Jorg noted on his Twitter) to create a "mega-shield" to absorb the radiation blast, lest it fry the heart of the Federation. --Ch00path1ng4 (talk) 06:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Got started on a merger-revamp. Bed time because I have stupid work in the stupid morning. --WTRiker (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- The information on the page [[Borg Queen's ship encounter]] is potentially valuable, but I also see the danger of creating more and more made-up names for important, yes, but unnamed events. So perhaps we could have a page, like the pages for unnamed individuals, but for things like this; something like "Unnamed military confrontations". Compiling such a page could take some time and work, and it might not be the optimal solution. But I think it would be better than to continually decide what to call events ourselves. As for what to do with [[Sector 9 incident]], at least until PIC Season 3 gives us more background, I agree with AJ. -- 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command (talk • contribs) 18:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
I reached out to Dave Blass & co. on Twitter earlier today to see if they had a better name for it. I would argue that this event is on-par with the Defense of Coppelius (perhaps more so than) because of the greater implications of things - the new Borgati-led "Nice Borg" faction of Borg (which did not replace the classic Borg of the Prime timeline), the new transwarp conduit on Earth's doorstep, etc., and the fact that the event basically precipitated the entirety of S2 - including being something of a predestination paradox for Jurati in particular. --WTRiker (talk) 03:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that this event is more important than the Defense of Coppelius. However, is that name protectable under Memory Alpha's resource policy either? Even if you argue that, under Memory Alpha:Resource policy#In-universe resources, these articles are examples of naming "items or people that were seen or referred to on-screen but not referred to by name," you still must include a "background note explaining the source for the information." All of these names are made up. And it's not just these; there are numerous articles that have similarly invented names. And, as far as I can think, the best option would be to create an unnamed military confrontations page of some sort, like I suggested earlier. Anyhow, just some things to think about. -- 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command (talk • contribs) 00:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- As the creator of the Defense of Coppelius page (ha), I named it pursuant to the MA quasi-policy (emphasis on quasi-) of avoiding "Unnamed/Unidentified ________" as best as possible. While behind-the-scenes resources are often used, none exist as far as a name goes, so for Defense of Coppelius, I just went with a relatively straightforward name instead of "Federation-Romulan Fleet Standoff over Coppelius" or "Unnamed Federation-Romulan Non-Combat Fleet Action over Coppelius". Same for this and the "Borg Queen's ship encounter". --Ch00path1ng4 (talk) 04:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
(ADDENDUM: Isn't there also a "banner" for speculatively-named pages? Also, not a sockpuppet; my ex-Gamepedia name is different from my "Wikia" name--WTRiker (talk) 01:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC))
- So, this "quasi-policy" allows the invention of names for articles when none are given and there is no behind-the-scenes info? Perhaps that should be reviewed. Sounds like a way to get around the resource policy to me. -- 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command (talk • contribs) 13:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also, if the community wants these invented names to be ok, we should discuss a change to the resource policy, not create a "quasi-policy". -- 🖖 Mr. Starfleet Command (talk • contribs) 23:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
From article talk pages[]
Necessity[]
Is this article really necessary? It wasn't a space battle, and even calling it a regular battle would be a stretch. -- UncertainError (talk) 05:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I certainly don't think it is, other than being an excuse to make a ship list, it's a madeup name for a stun fight on the bridge of one ship while a bunch of other nearby ships got hacked then exploded. --Gvsualan (talk) 05:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree whether it's a battle is a arguable. However, it is a notable event in its own right. We have the names of the involved vessels, so it seems convenient to collect all the information here in one place. Kind regards, -- Markonian 08:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- This wasn't a battle, but neither was the "Defense of Coppelius", which is why I called it an "encounter". Granted, the name isn't good, but I couldn't think up a better one at the time. Plus, this is kind of the instigating event of the whole season, as Markham noted. We don't know how this will play out - maybe it'll never happen, maybe we'll revert to just before the Borg Queen beamed aboard, and this'll end with a diplomatic talk and not the kaboom of the Stargazer. Or maybe we'll get a massive UFP vs. Borg battle on a scale not seen since 1996. --WTRiker (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree whether it's a battle is a arguable. However, it is a notable event in its own right. We have the names of the involved vessels, so it seems convenient to collect all the information here in one place. Kind regards, -- Markonian 08:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Really?[]
Do we really now need TWO articles on this one event that's definitely not a battle? All the information about it can be included on the Singularity (ship) article. -- UncertainError (talk) 00:45, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah. I'm calling BS. They obviously didn't read the comments on their last, aforementioned "creation", and seem to completely miss the fact that MA is not a repository for made-up-title-events. This is pointless and should be deleted with the other half of this event. --Gvsualan (talk) 00:55, 6 May 2022 (UTC)