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Extra language-list on main page useless

In my view, the additional list with flags for the languages, which MA is available in, is absolutely useless. After all, it just devours precious space and the other languages are accessible via the standard sidebar on the left anyway (just like it is on Wikipedia). --36ophiuchi 15:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary, I think that prominent links to other language versions are an importan feature for the main page. Compare the home page of - it's nothing but a hub leading to the major different language versions.
Of course, with all the inactive language versions existing, we might want to think about not linking prominently to all of them (but perhaps just the really active and "compatible" ones), but I think some form of list should stay on the main page. -- Cid Highwind 09:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think I'll manage to live with the current solution ;-) --36ophiuchi 15:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

What happened?

What happened to the main page? The new style/look/order/whatever term here, doesn't look good. Firstly, whatever was done, now Browse, Edit, and Picture of the Day is condensed (to condensed) onto the left side, and the order of the articles has changed. Is this a new permanent change, or has something gone haywire in the adjustment of the code?--Terran Officer 22:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I think the main page worked much better in its previous arrangement. This new layout makes everything look too squished on the left. Prometheus3737 03:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The new main page design is to help MA prepare for the pointless ad boxes and banners that are going to be added which only anonymous users that don't have ad-blocking tools are going to be able to see. Basically, when ad boxes and banners are needlessly thrown onto the Main Page, this new design will make the Main Page "look better". For the record, I don't have a major problem with the new design, but I agree, the previous design was much, much, much better. Alas, changes must be made in order to adapt to the worthless changes Wikia is forcing upon all of its wikis. --From Andoria with Love 08:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see....and of course this change is with all skins (As I, using my logged in options, changed the default skin). I suppose it makes sense, it will take some getting used to, I guess. That and a minor tweaking to the edit and picture of the day templates, but eh. I still cannot believe that wikia is doing this, and how easily they can justify these changes (though that's another topic). --Terran Officer 08:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

You know, what annoys me even more than the fact that we now have two ads on the main page is the "Wikia is evil" crap that always comes up afterwards. There's a forum entry where Sannse suggested a change to the main page, the only reply in quite some time being "I don't like it.", without any suggestions regarding what might need to be changed or enhanced.
What's now on the main page is not simply this initial suggestion, forced upon us by evil Wikia, but a layout changed afterwards by at least three different people - consider it a WIP in need of further discussion, if you like. I already added my two cents to that discussion: I think that an 8 screens long main page (before the change it was 9 screens long, mind you) is just too long, and at least half of that needs to be thrown out. "Thrown out" not as in "deleted", but as in "moved to another place", of course.
For example, I think that the current AoTW text is much too long. The text displayed on the main page should be a teaser, not a complete summary. The "Did you Know" feature might be switched to a daily rotation, with just one entry per day. The "Latest News" feature might be reduced to 3-4 entries (as has been discussed in the past, I think). Also, I'm not sure if the "Upcoming Releases" and "Where to Watch" lists are important enough to be placed on the main page in complete length...
Do you have other/further suggestions for the main page? -- Cid Highwind 09:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I tried to give everyone a heads up long before so that we could have been working on this for a while now...nobody seemed to care. I agree Cid that the Latest News could be shortened by one entry or maybe the Latest News and Today in Trek could be combined into a two column table at the top. That would shrink a lot of text. – Morder 09:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, how about leaving it the way it was?--Aamin Marritza 19:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Because Aamin Marttitza Wikia is forcing the changes upon us... – Morder 19:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I agree with the new Main Page style insofar as it will make the page look better with the ads. I still do not agree with the ads being added, and I probably never will. I do not think that Wikia is "evil" only that their decision is pretty pointless considering all they will accomplish is de-facing pages for a few hundred or so users who don't have ad-blocking tools. But that's a discussion for another time – I am in complete agreement that the Main Page, as it is, is too long. I like your idea for DYK. I can try to limit the news to 3 entries instead of five, as I've been trying to do. The Where to Watch/Upcoming Releases list and the This Day in Trek panel can be replaced with a link to the respective pages. If those suggestions don't help shrink the page to a tolerable length, then we can discuss limiting the AotW text. :) --From Andoria with Love 09:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
User:Morder/Main <- How about that? – Morder 09:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
RE: Morder -- that's still a bit too long, methinks. Also, I think we should somehow combine the Article of the Day & Picture of the Day, rather than just sticking the latter at the bottom. Maybe the news can be put in the sidebar where the Where You Can Watch/Upcoming Releases panels are. Then under that, we can link Where To Watch/Upcoming Releases/Today In Trek History. --From Andoria with Love 10:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's a possibility for the collapsed version Shran suggests - things are now more clearly divided, with MA-related stuff on the left (AotW, PotD [which needs a format tweak to center the text - something that I've been meaning to do for some time now], and the Editing box), and more general stuff on the right. If DYK gets reduced to one entry per day, that will also make the right-hand column more even. THe "In Brief" section can be made into a panel of its own. -- Michael Warren | Talk 10:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Thought about something similar to DH's suggestion of an "In brief" section with links. We could allow individual panels to be initially "collapsed". In that state, only the header would be visible, plus some icon to toggle between collapsed and un-collapsed modes. This could apply to, for example, the panels "Upcoming Releases", "Where to watch", "Today in Trek history" and "Editing Memory Alpha". Combined with the reduced content of the News and DYK panels, this would lead to a much less cluttered main page, with still all information available to those interested in it. -- Cid Highwind 17:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I actually tried that with the Where to Watch panel before; it didn't work. Of course, I may not have done something right. Anyway, I like where DH's version is going. If we can reduce the info in DYK, make the "In brief" section into a panel (if we decide to go with that rather than collapsing the lists), and even out the panels, it would be great. --From Andoria with Love 18:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I have to say, I didn't particularly like the main page change, but thanks to the work of you guys it's kind of growing on me. So good work!
In regards to the AotW text being too long...Instead of rewriting the existing ones, why don't we use this opportunity to wipe out all current AotW on the template and actually restart nominations in Memory Alpha:Article of the Week? There's lots of recent FAs (as well as some older ones) that I feel don't get enough attention.
(When I mean wipe the current ones, I don't mean literally because they're a good backup if there's insufficient interest. What I mean is remove them gradually as we nominate new articles)– Cleanse 01:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we have a section on the main page, showing the articles currently nominated for FA? I don't think the Memory Alpha:Nominations for featured articles page gets enough attention as it is, with only regular users visiting it to vote. If we had it on the main page, the ordinary user would be able to see this and think "Oh, what's this?" and perhaps get more involved in the voting process. Speaking from personal experience, when voting on nominations, I see the same names again and again - Cleanse, Fleet Captain, AJHalliwell, OuroborosCobra, Shran, Cid Highwind, 31dot... I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that - just that we should try and get some of the lesser-experienced users into voting for featured articles. - TrekFan 01:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
My last change to the FA nominations page was back in March, so your experience might be a little inaccurate at least in that regard... ;) In any case, I think that the main page is a page for visitors and "users" much more than a page for experienced contributors (aka "the community"). While, of course, it isn't strictly forbidden for the former to vote on FA nominations, it seems to make more sense to collect votes from the latter group instead. After all, how could a first-time visitor really decide whether an article really is "one of the best", in comparison to the whole article base he hasn't even seen yet?
Re:Cleanse - I haven't really followed the AotW process, either. So, the current AotW's are actually old ones, recycled? In that case, you're right, it's high time to do something about that... :) -- Cid Highwind 09:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, this is still more or less my suggestion for a new process that combines "Peer Review", "FA nom" and "AotW" into one (some slight modifications from the initial suggestion some years ago pending).
In short, what would be done is that, as a first step, all past "Featured Articles" get "retired" - they may reapply, but won't be used for future "AotW" without another vote.
Then, we create a new voting page where everyone may have a vote what the next "AotW" might be. "Peer Review" should be mandatory for the articles suggested here, and also, all AotW candidates should have a subpage (e.g. [[PAGENAME/excerpt]]) containing what will become the AotW summary on the main page. This AotW-voting will then double as our way to determine "Featured Articles" (because this time, an article chosen here will actually be featured ;)). At the end of each week, the article with the most votes will be chosen as next weeks AotW... -- Cid Highwind 09:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, those were the names I could think of off the top of my head, and yours I seem to remember a bit. Anyway... -- TrekFan 17:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I was just looking around on the main page and noticed the tree was in use for the where to watch, and it didn't work that well. What about, to trim it down (as thats one thing I see mentioned again and again, trim down the main page), the countries were air times and channels are listed and on the channel page (That nearly all, if not all channels mentioned have) the current broadcast times can be found for whatever series airs at the time. For upcoming releases, perhaps a link to the upcoming releases list, and then the current year production list can be inserted, with then the panel length trimmed down to a couple items for each category, like once a release has officially occurred, its removed from the list on the main page panel. TOS remastered for instance, should only show two or three weeks at a time, not four or more (although this would require updates more often). I hope this sounded right. --Terran Officer 01:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured User

I think we should have a featured user section on the main page where we can reward a dedicated user with some recognition. We could all vote on who we think has made the best contribution in the past week/month and then their name could be displayed on the home page for all to see. I just thought it would be good to show some appreciation for those dedicated users who have made MA what it is today. Any thoughts? -- TrekFan 15:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Are there any other larger Wikis having "Featured Users"? Sounds a bit like "Employee of the Month" ;-) . Generally, I think your suggestion is not bad at all, however, our Main Page is already overcrowded as it is... Let's see what the others think. --36ophiuchi 15:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
For the record, Wookieepedia has an editor of the month. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Memory Gamma

Why isn't listed in related wikis?-- 10:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Probably because stexpanded has existed a lot longer with the same topic. But I don't know. – Morder 10:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
It's different topics. stexpanded just gives info about existing fanon, memory gamma lets you create it.-- 19:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I personally think we don't need to list every other website there just because it is a wiki about Trek. The links we have at the moment are already more prominent than the links to our own co-projects in other languages (which might be something worth thinking about). In any case, and taking MB as an example: that site has been active for more than three years now, is actively edited by many people (including several that also edit here) and is a great resource for stuff that can't be found on our own wiki. It deserves a mention.
Memory Gamma, on the other hand, is a very young wiki - at the moment without even a completely working main page. Maybe we can just let it find its way first, and then talk about inclusion on our main page. -- Cid Highwind 10:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. We shouldn't mention it just because it exists, we should see what it becomes first.--31dot 12:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Memory Gamma is in the Wikia Spotlight list, so maybe that will help it? 18:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

IE8 beta 2 not supported

IE8 beta 2 and memory alpha seem to be incompatible without the use of IE7 mode. when attempting to load the page in IE8 there is just a blank page and nothing else. when i turn on IE7 mode the pages load but editing is very slow. this problem will most likely not be fixed in the final release as the rendering engine of IE8 is very different to that of 7. it will most likely be up to you to fix. i thought i should make you aware of this issue.

Hmmm... might have to do with the 74 errors(!) this page contains. There are multiple warnings per error, of course, but that seems a bit much. I'm making Wikia aware of that, thanks for the warning. :) -- Cid Highwind 13:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah ... 74 errors. The "classic" skin only has 41 errors ... and again all I can say is: Dump that ugly new skin. --Logical Girl 17:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
The new skin is more complex, more errors are likely. However, these are not errors in the sense of it being broken - they are normally just a result of trying to support multiple browsers and style options. I've just tested on IE8 Beta 2 - I see the same problem. I will flag it up to the developers (and ask for them to see about checking validation). I suspect it's a minor tweak, such as not trying to apply IE6/7 fixes to IE8. Kirkburn (talk) 09:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Just retested the page in the validator: 32 errors on Monobook, 44 on Monaco; not a huge difference. Kirkburn (talk) 09:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Star Trek Online

Just wanted to let everyone know that the Star Trek Online wiki has been created! It's a wiki for Star Trek Online, an upcoming Star Trek massively multiplayer online role playing game. If you'd like to help out, please do! You can find it here.

Go ahead and take a look around, but it was just approved Oct. 6th, so don't expect it to be as big as Memory-Alpha. :P

Thanks! --Carbon Fiber Man 18:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Memory Alpha Has Changed!

Anyone else think we can remove the announcement on the main page now? The changeover was 4 months ago. – Cleanse 07:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I think we can remove it now. --From Andoria with Love 19:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Where'd the Main Page go?

Is it just me or did all the content on the Main Page just diappear? Don't tell me Wikia MediaWiki did another one of their crappy updates and ended up breaking our panels. --From College with Confusion 27 October 2008, 10:07 AM EST

It is just you. It really might also be nice if we didn't have to badmouth Wikia every two seconds. --OuroborosCobra talk 14:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
It is not just Shran. Main Page is gone for me too. I tried editing the main page and then saving it, but to no avail. ---- Willie LLAP 14:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Cobra (edit conflict): Oh, but it's so much fun! For the record, though I meant MediaWiki, not Wikia. (Although Wikia did do this whole ad block thing :-P) Anyway, the Main Page isn't showing up at all on Internet Explorer 7. it might just be this computer's setting, though. --From College with Love 10:19 AM EST

Main page is fine for me on Google Chrome. Stop using crappy Microsoft browsers :P --OuroborosCobra talk 14:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, a purge got it back for me. All seems to be fine now. :) ---- Willie LLAP 14:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
For me, too. The main page content is gone and several other sites, such as Biofunction monitor and Performers approached for Star Trek roles. – Tom 14:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
It's gone for me as well... I use firefox on Linux.– Spock2266 14:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Just disappeared for me. --OuroborosCobra talk 14:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Try to purge your browser. I know for IE, it is Cntr+F5. For Firefox, it is Shift+Cntr+R. And for Google Chrome it is found in the "Tools" menu. Hope that helps. ---- Willie LLAP 15:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Hard-refreshes not working for me. Using latest version of FF, and page is blank. -Rhinecanthus rectangulus 16:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
It's not working for me, either. I also use FF.--31dot 16:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not using a Microsoft browser, I use Safari and there's nothing on the main page. I looked around and saw the same thing with Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Enterprise. Now when I go through the history I can see it if I go back a ways. I also noticed that under the sidebar beneath Policies and Guidelines and above Help and Random Page it says "Searfarfarfarfarfarfarfarfa" which goes to Special:Search.--Captain Sarcastica 20:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we're attempting to fix these problems. I will update when it's fixed. — Morder 20:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, everything appears to be up and running. If you still experience any problems just do a hard refresh of the page and it should go away. — Morder 21:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Morder. :) – Tom 12:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Where Not To Watch

For viewers in the United States, TV Land has bumped its 6 a.m. run of The Original Series, and replaced it with infomercials. I don't know how long that will last, but it seems to be set for the forseeable future. I just wanted you all to be aware of the situation. Adambomb1701 14:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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