Vulcan[]
It seems that its almost become an accepted fact that Sargon's species was vulcanoid, but is there any reason to believe this beyond the probably hypothetic statement made by a character about them initially colonizing Vulcan? Federation 00:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
New index[]
Should we make a new index for races that are extinct, there seem to be a large number. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.191.157.202.
- Per Memory Alpha's point of view, pretty much all races are extinct, so such a list is unnecessary. In the future, I would suggest posting a general question like this at Ten Forward.--31dot 10:05, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Species category[]
I know all three members are listed here already, but should we have a category for them? --LauraCC (talk) 19:15, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Removed[]
It is not clear by what criteria Sargon's people made this judgment.
No "unclears". --LauraCC (talk) 19:00, November 4, 2016 (UTC)
Rename to "Arretian" based on script?[]
If this species is unnamed onscreen, and the script of the episode refers to them as Arretians as noted in the BG section, shouldn't that name be used here in preference to Sargon's species? It seems Sargon's planet/homeworld was already long ago renamed to Arret based on the same source. --Side Rat (talk) 05:09, March 27, 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. --Soulkeeper 06:34, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Bottom line, if we accept "Arret" as the planet name from the script, and especially if the name "Arretian" is actually in the script and not just inferred from the planet name, then we should accept this as well. If both are in the script, and there's no aired information of greater authority, what possible case could there be for accepting one but not the other? --TimPendragon (talk) 15:44, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Production source names (outside of pretty much just planets) have always been a darker shade of grey here, for some reason. I suppose a similar argument could be made for Neuralese. Then are call sheet names, like Rotciv and Guppi, or the names taken from the production "cheat sheet" from TNG that names: Daledian; Delbian; Pelian; Ramatisian; Tarchanne. --Alan (talk) 18:52, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- The lines are said to have been cut from the final draft, while the info that "named" the planet wasn't, so without looking at the sources myself I would say because this name was rejected in the writing phase while the other could have been removed for any number of reasons. We don't know why the name of the planet wasn't used, so it could still have been the intended name, but we do know why this name wasn't used, and that's because the final script didn't name them. - Archduk3 19:51, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Production source names (outside of pretty much just planets) have always been a darker shade of grey here, for some reason. I suppose a similar argument could be made for Neuralese. Then are call sheet names, like Rotciv and Guppi, or the names taken from the production "cheat sheet" from TNG that names: Daledian; Delbian; Pelian; Ramatisian; Tarchanne. --Alan (talk) 18:52, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Yup. This is what it comes down to -- if they're in the final draft, then we need to be consistent with "Arret," one way or the other. If they were removed from the final script, then yeah, it stays in the background. I'll see if I can track down a scan of the script through my sources and check myself. --TimPendragon (talk) 21:28, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- In the script notes from the draft in question there is a legit reference to the term "Arretan" [sic], when describing the special effects of whenever they -- the Arretans -- leave their Receptacle to enter a Human body.
- Regarding the deleted stuff: the first bit of dialogue that used the term, the whole conversation actually, was replaced with Kirk's monologue about going to Mars and catgut. It was also spelled "Arretan" [sic]. The final bit was in McCoy's log where he originally stated "three Arretian minds" was changed to "Three alien minds".
- So yeah, Arretan is in the script notes, making this apparently legit request. (With a tweak to the spelling suggested.) --Alan (talk) 03:22, April 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Bottom line, if we accept "Arret" as the planet name from the script, and especially if the name "Arretian" is actually in the script and not just inferred from the planet name, then we should accept this as well. If both are in the script, and there's no aired information of greater authority, what possible case could there be for accepting one but not the other? --TimPendragon (talk) 15:44, April 2, 2020 (UTC)