Talk: D7 class

Studio model discussions

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Evolved from D5?

"This design had evolved from a classic design lineage dating back well into the 22nd century with the early D5 class battle cruisers. (ENT: "Judgment")"

Isn't it more likely that it evolved from this design than the D5? - Mitchz95 03:23, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Discovery Season 1 D7

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Klingon Name in DSC

Do any of the Memory-Alpha readers here know 'Klingonese'? I'm curious if when Tyler said 'D7' in the Klingon language in Season 2 if he literally said a translation of 'D7' into the language or if he said something else and D7 in the subtitles was just for the audience. --Tuskin38 (talk) 15:01, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

I found this site which is tracking the Klingon used in Discovery http://klingon.wiki/En/DSC203 Tyler did literally say D7, "Day Soch" --Tuskin38 (talk) 19:55, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

K'T'inga class (SNW)

It appears this may have been name dropped in SNW: "Subspace Rhapsody", with a shot of the DISCO D-7 on the screen. Would it be time to consider merging the D-7 and K'T'inga articles? Appalachia Actual (talk) 21:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

They might have the same outward hull shape but still have different enough internal configuration to be separate classes. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 21:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

It could be equivalent to the term Starship-class and why the something else in DIS was called also D7-class.

Or better yet, ignore the visual similarities and stick to dialogue like was necessary with this. –Gvsualan (talk) 23:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

My opinion is that the K't'inga class is a subclass of the D7 class, and so the fact that the ship from Discovery was referred to as D7 despite being referred to as a K't'inga in Strange New Worlds; still makes sense. I don't know. Maybe merging it is a better idea. (that's not necessarily my opinion, I'm just saying) It seems we have two different canon sources where a K'T'inga class ship is referred to as a D7 class. So I think that's a pretty good arguement for merging them. Does anyone know all of the times in canon they were referred to as K'T'inga, and perhaps more importantly; has a clear distinction ever been made other than the minor differences in the hull configuration from the TOS era compared to the TMP and TNG eras?---Noah Tall (talk) 07:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

In the first season of DIS, there was a reference to a D7-class Klingon starship and the configuration of that ship was different from what we commonly think of for that designation. IIRC, it was the prison ship.Memphis77 (talk) 11:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. You're referring to the Sech class. The D7 class from TOS apparently came later. In my opinion, if a ship class as wildly different as the Sech class could be considered D7 class then a K't'inga class definitely can. The so called two classes are almost the same. Much like the difference between the Constitution class and the Constitution refit; both of which we always referred to as the same class until recently. They're more the same than different. Sure there are configurational differences, but the real question is why. It's not something we've learned in canon yet.

For example, we just learned recently that this version of the Starfleet tricorder is actually a TS 122 tricorder, and this version is a TS 120 tricorder. Or perhaps even more significantly, this is a type 2 phaser and yet, so is this. Sure, they are both phaser guns, they're both pistols. But they are both wildly different configurations. Chances are, they have different names on paper. Like we have iPhones with different names each time they come out; but we still always just call them iPhones. The one from TOS might be called a "Type 2 phaser 200," while the one from the TNG era might be called a "Type 2 phaser 250" or something like that. We don't know because it hasn't been established in canon yet. What we do know is they're both suppose to be type 2 phasers, but just different configurations. So far, aside from the newest episode, I haven't been able to determine if the phrase "K't'inga class" has been used in canon or not. Sure we've always called them that, but did that come from some background source? If so, we should probably do like we did with the B'rel class or the D12 class and classes like that--we just made them redirect to Klingon Bird-of-Prey. It makes the most sense to me, unless someone cam find another actual canon source where the term K't'inga is not only used, but distinguished from D7. I haven't found it yet. All I know for sure of is D7 class, which has been mentioned a number of times. I think we should either make K't'inga class a redirect page to D7 class, or we should make individual pages for the B'rel class and the D12 class etc. Otherwise I think that it's a double standard. But once again, I don't feel strongly about this, I just feel that this is the right thing to do based upon how we did the Klingon Bird of Prey. -- Noah Tall (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Maybe, similarly to the bird-of-prey, should merge them at something like Klingon battle cruiser (23rd century)? JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 15:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

That may actually work even better. Although unless there's a reason to have Klingon battle cruiser (22nd century) or Klingon battle cruiser (24th century); which I don't think there is, then we should probably just call it Klingon battle cruiser. Right now it's nothing more than a redirect page to battle cruiser. -- Noah Tall (talk) 16:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

D7 and K'tinga are the Same Ship - Movie Era is a Refit ala the Constitution

The SNW models for the D7 and K'tinga are identical. Kohlar's D7 uses a K'tinga model. There are not even minor differences to distinguish them as a separate sub class of ship.

It requires more speculation on our part to separate them when the answer is obvious. They are the same ship. What does that mean using only onscreen evidence?

1) D7 K'tinga.

D7 is the designation and K'tinga is the class name.

In real military nomenclature vehicles are designated with a model and then a class name and finally any modifications/upgrades.

M4 Sherman - M4(76mm) Sherman - M4A1 Sherman - M4A2 Sherman - M4A3 Sherman - M4A3E8 Sherman. all shermans but different models. M1 Abrams, M1A1 Abrams, M1A2 Abrams, M1 Grizzly (variation of Abrams), etc... An-225 Mirya, C-5 Galaxy, P35 Mustang, B17 Flying Fortress, C-17 Globemaster etc...

This has precedent in actual military logistics and explains why both terms can be used interchangeably by characters without contradiction .

This has precedent in Klingon naming conventions. D4 (prime and alternate), D5, D7 are confirmed and we can assume that there were at least four others D1, D2, D3, and D6.

2) Movie Era K'tinga is a refit

The Constitution Class kept the name after a massive refit - there is no reason this isn't true of the D7/K'tinga.

Kolhar's D7 is a K'tinga model. Prior to SNW this was a mistake, now we have overwhelming evidence that the D7s and K'tingas are the same.

- I feel this needs to be better addressed. Forresto44 (talk) 13:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)