Episode titles before release

A good fair few of the episode titles have been revealed. Even if (probably some of, if any) these turn out to be working titles, they should be used until we know better. WGAW --Defiant (talk) 05:06, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

Two(ish) questions:
Is this even considered "an official release" of info as outlined in spoiler policy? This is clearly bg info, but that doesn't automatically mean it's OK under the spoiler policy.
What's the rush? We're not a news site, and every page will more or less just be the empty framework, so why create 4 pages and 2 categories for each title, as well as editing all the links to those and the 15 episode data modules, if we're not even sure these are the correct titles? That's not a lot to do mind you, but it's enough that I don't want to have to clean it up if these go all "Chaos Theory" on us. If we also suspect at least a few of these might only be working titles, that kinda goes back to question one as well. Archduk3 05:42, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting the creation of any extra pages until there is sufficient information to warrant that. I'm simply suggesting we use the episode titles on this page for the time being. The titles have been released by the Writers Guild of America, which is obviously a credible source, and adding episode titles to season pages prior to the release of those episodes is nothing new on MA. --Defiant (talk) 07:24, October 4, 2020 (UTC)

The WGA as a credible source isn't in doubt; the question is if that constitutes "an official release" of info as described in the spoiler policy, and not something they are required to do for other reasons. I'm also not seeing how to restrict the creation of those pages, and all the edits required to do that, if the titles are on this page. A lot of new content editors seem to be here to be "first" and little else. - Archduk3 05:45, October 5, 2020 (UTC)
From Template talk:DIS Season 3
Please do NOT create article pages for any of these episodes until we're sure of the episode names (i.e. have confirmation from a production source). -- Renegade54 (talk) 00:39, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
See Talk:DIS Season 3 and the fact it not only happened almost right away but also only happened because they were here, explicitly. No confirmation means no "official" release of info which means these are spoilers. - Archduk3 07:47, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Add them here. --Alan (talk) 12:34, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
For me, the WGA should be considered an official release. -- Sulfur (talk) 12:40, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
First off, titles aren't spoilers, never have been, and there's nothing in the spoiler policy to indicate that they are. Second, the WGA is (or should be) an official source for things like titles and writer/director credits. I only put the disclaimer above because things like capitalization could differ from what's listed versus what's shown on a title card, or things like "Part 1" versus "Part I" aren't always clear until we see the title card. In other words, I see no issue with listing the titles in the season matrix at a minimum, and even creating the articles themselves (with the caveat that one or two may change based on title cards). -- Renegade54 (talk) 13:48, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Yes there is, since the policy says "Information about upcoming episodes and films [...] may not be included in a Memory Alpha page, aside from official cast and production information released by Paramount, CBS, or credible news sources." and we further define what constitutes "released information " in the spoiler notices as "an identified studio source discuss[ing] information with a press outlet, such as a news service." I don't think the WGA is what we would consider a "news service," as it's my understanding that reporting the titles/writers to them isn't voluntary; it's required so the writers get credit and paid. If that is the case, then the WGA wouldn't be an "official source" for the spoiler policy. That's the question, since I'm not sure and if we don't want these pages made until we have confirmation, then that would seem to confirm we don't consider these the "official" titles. I'm fine either way so long as we have made a decision, and we aren't fooling ourselves into thinking that if we list these titles people won't immediately be clamoring to be the first to create those pages. - Archduk3 14:58, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Meh. I'm of the mind that if we go with them, we just populate all of the pages ourselves in one fell swoop, and then none of those "first" people can fill the shit out. :) -- Sulfur (talk) 15:04, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
If on you're head be it, then by all means. I'm still shuffling the lists around as is. - Archduk3 15:09, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Well, there is also something of a fine line here. These are just the "upcoming episodes" part of that policy, and not the actual "information about" part of it, and this still falls within the production aspect of that realm, more on par with stuff like Ian Alexander which has unlinked spoilers to a character's name, while still somehow not being a spoiler. Besides, not being an asshole to users is also one of our policies, but that doesn't mean much either, so why pick and choose now... --Alan (talk) 15:26, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
I didn't block anyone now did I? I was downright cordial for 3am! Also, don't forget the aftershows. ;p - Archduk3 15:53, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
Do we have confirmations what the aftershows are yet? -- Sulfur (talk) 17:34, October 8, 2020 (UTC)
No more so than we have for episodes 2 and 3. The only examples of aftershows having other titles is if they cover multiple episodes, and we do know that there will be one aftershow per episode this season per "Finale Special", so these are the safe bet based on what they have done before. That said, even if the aftershows for some reason got different titles going forward, these would still be redirects for searching purposes, assuming these titles are also correct. - Archduk3 20:09, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Cast

Just wondering why Yeoh/Georgiou isn't listed among the cast (despite featuring in all three seasons, and present on the S3 poster) but Nhan is? MadeIndescribable (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Because she is credited as a special guest star instead of as a part of the cast. - Archduk3 16:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
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