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Proposal to Edit the Character's Status to 'Alive'
Considering that Data has been seen in the most recent trailer for Star Trek: Picard, which takes place after his death in Insurrection, I propose that his status should be altered to reflect this. However, as we don't know how Data was revived yet - though B-4 is assumed - I should like advice as to whether I should make this edit now, or wait until PIC debuts in 2020. Indeed, it is possible that the trailer is deceptive. --Corvyn11 (talk) 20:16, July 22, 2019 (UTC)Corvyn11
- No, do not edit the page now. - Archduk3 00:33, July 23, 2019 (UTC)
- We don't know that he was revived at all; it appears in the trailer that he might be wearing a First Contact-style uniform, which would suggest a flashback. He also calls Picard 'captain' and not the admiral he is said to be in the show. In any event, we put nothing in the article until it appears on screen. 31dot (talk) 01:35, July 23, 2019 (UTC)
The service record section states that Data entered the Academy in 2341, but the chronology section says 2344. 41 was an on screen graphic in Conundrum and 44 is spoken dialogue in the extended Blu Ray edition of Measure of a Man. I believe spoken dialogue trumps on screen visuals (of course Data said he graduated in 78 in the pilot), should all references be changed to 44? The article shouldn't contradict itself at least. Cryptic47 (talk) 04:41, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Spoken dialog doesn't have to take precedence, and since this is all over the place, it shouldn't based on just that alone. Our timeline uses 2341-2345 for his time in the academy, so beyond the dialog references, which don't even agree with each other, is there another reason to think those are wrong? - Archduk3 05:10, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
Why wouldn't spoken dialogue, particularly when restored footage is canonized recently by the Okudas, trump small text on a computer screen that most people wouldn't notice especially back in the SD days? The 78 reference is easily ignored because it was the first episode and they didn't have things figured out yet. Regardless, you didn't acknowledge the fact that the article contradicts itself. The service record section says 41 and the chronology section says 44, the chronology section of Data's article. Cryptic47 (talk) 09:43, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I would have a tendency to agree with you, Cryptic. In this case especially, since the rest of what Spiner spoke in that dialogue is held to, and the other dates on-screen were not not likely expected to be even read. There are even other instances where complete nonsense was put on computer terminals simply because the team writing the programs for the displays were not expecting it to be read on 25 inch screens at 480p. In such a case as this, direct spoken dialogue plainly scripted and written by show writers should always trump obscure and briefly visible graphics made by property masters and set designers who were overworked to the point of making so many mistakes anyway. Don't get me wrong, I give mad props to all the people working on sets in that show, but if we are looking at canon for dates and figures, we should go by what the writers write first, and on-screen visuals second.Dr. Quincy Lancelot Killjoy, M.D., Psy.D. (talk) 16:20, August 29, 2020 (UTC)
Proposal to create a separate article for "Data (simulation)"
Given that the Data in the simulation does himself state that he is built from a copy of Data's memories up to the moment when he tries to copy his memories into B4, does it not make sense to create a separate article for the version of Data seen in the PIC finale? There is already a precedent, considering the existence of a separate article for Jean-Luc Picard (golem). BigRockCola (talk) 22:17, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
- Personally, I'd agree with you. However, there's even a discussion about that article being merged with the article about Jean-Luc Picard. It's interesting new ground for Memory Alpha. There's a rather lengthy discussion about it here. I do, however see your point and would agree with you. Roger Murtaugh (talk) 22:30, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Yeah, it did seem like the logical step, as it's essentially the same discussion. Roger Murtaugh (talk) 23:22, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
Why is the list of uses of contractions seemingly in a random order? It is very difficult to follow the evolution that way. Also, while each bullet is generally referring to one episode or film, there are one or two that randomly reference two episodes. It seems to me these should be separated for consistency. TheHYPO (talk) 09:28, July 27, 2020 (UTC)