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Lorian and Karyn Archer Not Listed in Family Profiles?

I'm interested in understanding why Lorian and Karyn Archer were not listed in Jonathan Archer, T'Pol', and Commander Charles Tucker III's profiles? Also, several other Enterprise members had their descendents named or mentioned (Phlox's 9 children, Hoshi Sato's 2 kids, etc.) in the E2 timeline. Where are they?

After all, if a binary clone (created from adult cells of Tucker and T'Pol, rather than gametes) like Elizabeth Tucker gets a mention under the category of children, her big brother, created through sexual (merging of two gametes), if artificially manipulated, reproduction, should also get mentioned. Perhaps it could read 'Son in Alternate Timeline' or something. In addition, the ending of E2 left the issue vague, as the ultimate fate of the second Enterprise was left open, supposedly due to the producers wanting the option of someday bringing them back, if it ever fit in with their plans. To this end, I submit that they deserve a place in their paretns and great grandparents profiles, especially considering there was no definative proof that they had been temporally erased from existance. That was merely Archer's theory. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aeverett (talk • contribs). 3 June 2007

I agree. Even if they had been erased, there are articles that talk about and include details from erased timelines or events, like "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Timeless" or "Twilight". IT IS GREEN 04:13, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Cause of temporal shift

Some articles on memory alpha state that Enterprise went back in time due to a damaged impulse manifold. This is not what was stated in the episode.

Prior to the second attempt, it is true that Lorian warns that elder T'Pol's manifold modification may become damaged causing Enterprise to go back in time again. However, the historical account Lorian gave of the first incident did not mention any damage to the manifolds. For this reason, I omitted this part of the account until someone finds a passage that proves otherwise.

Undamaged manifolds would cause a temporal shift, due to the impulse wake. This is why T'Pols modification was necessary. -Mak 20:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No Rigelian Parrot

I deleted a reference to "Rigelian Parrot". Phlox was to have mentioned this pet- being surprized it was still alive after 117 years, but the scene was deleted. -Mak 04:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

As a deleted scene, shouldn't that be included under another section? I know several other episode articles have "Deleted/Extended Scenes" sections... Izkata 19:41, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it should. Make it so.--Brumagnus 06:37, January 18, 2011 (UTC)


intentional citation required. — Morder (talk) 05:30, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

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