Talk: Fek'lhr

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New theory about Fek'lhr

Fek'lhri, according to DS9 was killed by Kahless. Perhaps Fek'lhri and Fek'lhr are the same thing. If the Klingon Devil was defeted, and killed by Kahless this would certainly explain why Kang says that the Klingons have no devil. Their devil has been slain. What do you think? Federation 21:26, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Which DS9 ep was that? I don't usually pay attention to the Klingon ones. --Vedek Dukat ^{Talk | Duty Roster} 21:32, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, if iirc, it was in reference to the Sword of Kahless in "The Sword of Kahless". --Alan del Beccio 22:26, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The other thing about this theory is that it is in line with the idea that the Klingons killed their gods. If Fek'lhr was a deity, this would explain how. Federation 07:31, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I always thought that "Fek'lhri" was a plural of the gods/being that Fek'lhr belonged to -- i could be wrong, but lets check the grammar regarding the term's use in the DS9 episode. -- Captain Mike K. Bartel^talk

Fek'lhr/Devil Comparison

I don't think that the seemingly direct comparison that Ardra makes in "Devil's Due" between the Human Devil and the Klingon Fek'lhr neccesarily contradicts the statement made by Kang in "Day of the Dove." After all Kang's statement was that Klingon's don't have a Devil, not that they never had a Devil. Given that Klingon mythology states that they were Klingon Gods at one time, it is not unreasonable to think that one of them might have filled a role in the mythology comparable to that of the Human Devil. I think is very possible that Fek'lhr might have once been the Klingon equivilent to the Devil, yet is now considered dead like all Klingon Gods. This would stay consistant with the statments made in both "Day of the Dove" and "Devil's Due" Joe Bentley^talk

I think it's possible that when Kang said that "We [Klingons] have no devil," he was speaking from his own personal convictions. For example, replace Kang with an atheist human, and he'll say, "Humans don't have a devil," since, being atheist, he wouldn't believe in the Devil. Of course, members of various religions would disagree with him. All in all, considering that some humans believe in a devil and others don't, who's to say that the same isn't true of Klingons? --NME 09:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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Unknown statement

It is unknown if there is an etymological or mythological relationship between Fek'lhr and the Fek'Ihri, an ancient enemy of Kahless, mentioned by Worf in "The Sword of Kahless".

Removed the above as an "unknown" statement. --| TrekFan ^{Open a channel} 16:42, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

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 ==New theory about Fek'lhr==
 Fek'lhri, according to DS9 was killed by Kahless.  Perhaps Fek'lhri and Fek'lhr are the same thing.  If the Klingon Devil was defeted, and killed by Kahless this would certainly explain why Kang says that the Klingons have no devil.  Their devil has been slain.  What do you think?  [[User:Federation|Federation]] 21:26, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
-:Which DS9 ep was that? I don't usually pay attention to the Klingon ones. --[[User:Vedek Dukat|Vedek Dukat]] <sup> [[User talk:Vedek Dukat|<span style="color:red">Talk</span>]] | [[MemoryAlpha:User:Vedek Dukat/Episodes|<span style="color:gold;">Duty Roster</span>]]</sup> 21:32, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
+:Which DS9 ep was that? I don't usually pay attention to the Klingon ones. --[[User:Vedek Dukat|Vedek Dukat]] <sup> [[User talk:Vedek Dukat|<span style="color:red">Talk</span>]] | [[Memory Alpha:Projects/Episode duty roster|<span style="color:gold;">Duty Roster</span>]]</sup> 21:32, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
-::Off the top of my head, if iirc, it was in reference to the [[Sword of Kahless]] in "[[The Sword of Kahless]]". --[[User:Gvsualan|Alan del Beccio]] 22:26, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
+::Off the top of my head, if iirc, it was in reference to the [[Sword of Kahless]] in {{e|The Sword of Kahless}}. --[[User:Gvsualan|Alan del Beccio]] 22:26, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
-:The other thing about this theory is that it is in line with the idea that the Klingons killed their gods.  If Fek'lhr was a deity, this would explain how.  [[User:Federation|Federation]] 07:31, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
+The other thing about this theory is that it is in line with the idea that the Klingons killed their gods.  If Fek'lhr was a deity, this would explain how.  [[User:Federation|Federation]] 07:31, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
-::I always thought that "Fek'lhri" was a plural of the gods/being that Fek'lhr belonged to -- i could be wrong, but lets check the grammar regarding the term's use in the DS9 episode. -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain Mike K. Bartel]]<sup>[[User talk:Captainmike|talk]]</sup>
+:::I always thought that "Fek'lhri" was a plural of the gods/being that Fek'lhr belonged to -- i could be wrong, but lets check the grammar regarding the term's use in the DS9 episode. -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain Mike K. Bartel]]<sup>[[User talk:Captainmike|talk]]</sup>
 ==Fek'lhr/Devil Comparison==
+I don't think that the seemingly direct comparison that Ardra makes in "Devil's Due" between the Human Devil and the Klingon Fek'lhr neccesarily contradicts the statement made by Kang in "Day of the Dove."  After all Kang's statement was that Klingon's don't have a Devil, not that they never had a Devil.  Given that Klingon mythology states that they were Klingon Gods at one time, it is not unreasonable to think that one of them might have filled a role in the mythology comparable to that of the Human Devil.  I think is very possible that Fek'lhr might have once been the Klingon equivilent to the Devil, yet is now considered dead like all Klingon Gods.  This would stay consistant with the statments made in both "Day of the Dove" and "Devil's Due" [[User:JoeBentley|Joe Bentley]]<sup>[[User talk:JoeBentley|talk]]</sup>
+:I think it's possible that when Kang said that "We [Klingons] have no devil," he was speaking from his own personal convictions. For example, replace Kang with an atheist human, and he'll say, "Humans don't have a devil," since, being atheist, he wouldn't believe in the Devil. Of course, members of various religions would disagree with him. All in all, considering that some humans believe in a devil and others don't, who's to say that the same isn't true of Klingons? --[[User:NME|NME]] 09:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
-I don't think that the seemingly direct comparison that Ardra makes in "Devil's Due" between the human Devil and the Klingon Fek'lhr neccesarily contradicts the statement made by Kang in "Day of the Dove."  After all Kang's statement was that Klingon's don't have a Devil, not that they never had a Devil.  Given that Klingon mythology states that they were Klingon Gods at one time, it is not unreasonable to think that one of them might of filled a role in the mythology comparable to that of the human Devil.  I think is very possible that Fek'lhr might have once been the Klingon equivilent to the Devil, yet is now considered dead like all Klingon Gods.  This would stay consistant with the statments made in both "Day of the Dove" and "Devil's Due" [[User:JoeBentley|Joe Bentley]]<sup>[[User talk:JoeBentley|talk]]</sup>
+== Removed ==
+===Unknown statement===
-I think it's possible that when Kang said that Klingons don't have a devil, he was speaking from his own personal convictions. For example, replace Kang with an atheist human, and he'll say, "Humans don't have a devil," since, being atheist, he wouldn't believe in the Devil. Of course, members of various religions would disagree with him. All in all, considering that some humans believe in a devil and others don't, who's to say that the same isn't true of Klingons? --[[User:NME|NME]] 09:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
+:''It is unknown if there is an [[etymology|etymological]] or mythological relationship between Fek'lhr and the [[Fek'Ihri]], an ancient enemy of [[Kahless]], mentioned by [[Worf]] in {{e|The Sword of Kahless}}.''
+Removed the above as an "unknown" statement. --| [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Open a channel</span>]]</sup> 16:42, March 9, 2018 (UTC)