“Greek gods” are Corporeal Edit

They are corporeal. It is so obvious and it is made perfectly clear, but for some reason this wiki categorized them as “non corporeal”. And when I removed the non corporeal category, Archduk3 undid my edit. This does not make sense. They are clearly solid corporeal beings. McCoy says that Apollo is a humanoid with organs including an organ unique to his species which he uses to channel his power. They are corporeal. Please remove the category “non corporeal” as it does NOT apply here. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 15:47, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

I agree in this case. Non-corporeal beings don't have organs. --NetSpiker (talk) 02:46, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
Maybe leading up to the episode in his corporeal form, for Apollo, that was true. But as he said, they're immortal, they didn't die, they ceased to exist in a physical sense and "returned to the cosmos on the wings of the wind." Their organs were irrelevant at that point. --Alan (talk) 04:27, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

If they cease to physically exist, then they cease to exist. Even non corporeal beings have a physical form, just not one that is solid or made of conventional elemental matter. But they still physically are there, made of liquid, gas, or plasma, or some form of loosely connected particles. If they cease to exist in a physical sense then they are literally ripped apart atom by atom and they are dead, but instead of a typical death, they were ripped apart. The category does not apply hear. Apollo is clearly corporeal. The other “gods” didn’t become non corporeal, they died by being ripped apart. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 15:39, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

You have zero facts to support that. --Alan (talk) 16:12, June 10, 2020 (UTC)
At least it seems they could in some way, if we believe Apollo, exist in both, corporeal and incorporeal form.And Apollos additional organs and ex orporal powersource seem to have played an important role, so maybe he really was not commpletely incorporal?But Apollo also claims he was a son of Zeus and the human woman Leto... so possibly he was not a "pure being" like his father but had some humanity in him too, perhaps that could explain why he is difficult to categorize?--Haerangil (talk) 02:53, June 16, 2020 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. They aren’t gods. THEY ARE FALSE GODS. THEY DONT HAVE MAGIC POWERS. HE CHANNELS ENERGY THROUGH AN ORGAN AND IS ALSO AN UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. I am certain that aliens can’t suddenly disperse their consciousness into the wind. He’s trying to be poetic and mysterious and he insists he is a god which he is not. The extra organ came from his non-human parent. The false Greek gods all possess this ORGAN. Do I need to remind you that this is Star Trek and not Star Wars or a fantasy show? I find it odd that you, Alan/gsuvalan, always oppose anything I propose just because it was me. I feel like anything I say is being deliberately targeted. In fact YOU HAVE ZERO FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTION. Please go argue about something else and remove the category. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 20:57, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

It's worth noting that the Thasians, Organians, Koinonians, Douwd, Zalkonians, Zetarians, Trelane's species, Ian Troi, Onaya, etc, have all been shown onscreen as glowing energy and/or described as non-corporeal energy beings in supplemental sources. Apollo has never been been shown as an energy being. He just disappeared and we don't know if he was telling the truth about "returning to the cosmos" or if that was just his belief in an afterlife. This supports the argument to remove the non-corporeal category.
However, it's also worth noting that the novel Gods Above retcons the gods to be beings of energy in a humanoid form that literally need worship to survive. Apollo's supply of energy in the temple repository was limited, which is why he was so desperate for the Enterprise crew to worship him. Why Apollo assumed a humanoid form with an extra organ is not addressed. --NetSpiker (talk) 14:04, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
The archivist's assessment of the trustworthiness of the character who is the source of the resource will not affect the validity of the resource, nor will the archivist's assessment of the overall accuracy of the information contained in the resource. - Archduk3 14:56, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

They are corporeal. They are not gods. Apollo is narcissistic and is not a reliable narrator. It should say something like “Apollo stated that they ceased to exist and ‘spread onto the wings of the wind‘.” That would make more sense. We really can’t believe everything this man says. He claims to be a god. He isn’t. He gets his power by channeling energy form the surroundings using his additional organ, which likely came from his alien parent, if he even is part human at all. He is speaking in a riddle and we really don’t know what it means. He also implies that they ceased to exist at all. Powerful does not always equal non corporeal. Being non corporeal doesn’t give you magic powers and having mysterious abilities doesn’t make you non corporeal. The whole point of the episode was that he is a liar. I think this assumption needs to be removed. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 15:36, July 6, 2020 (UTC)

Read the line above what you just wrote. And then re-read what you wrote and tell us again, why what you wrote matters in any way whatsoever. -- sulfur (talk) 15:40, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
Especially, unlike say Harry Mudd, Apollo's credibility was never once brought into question so as to require us to even draw such a conclusion. And above all, the 31st episode out of almost 800, written some 60 years ago didn't have the luxury or necessarily the competency to satisfy everybody today. It should be quite clear by now that the definition of non-corporeal is widely defined. --Alan (talk) 16:18, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
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