Talk: ISS Enterprise (NCC-1701)

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Orbit model[]

It's funny!You have a big note explaining how hard it was to get the ISS Enterprise to fly from right to left, and then you have an image of the USS Enterprise, flying from left to right. Could someone replace it by an original picture or t least a flipped version of this one? -- Redge 23:00, 29 Jun 2004 (CEST)

Am I the only one who noticed that they made the Defiant pull into the same kind of backwards orbit in "In a mirror Darkly part II "at the very end after they make earth orbit? -- ME 23:00, 04 May 2006 (CEST)

Actually, there is evidence that the ISS 1701 might actually be the second pilot version of the ship, not a series-production version like the Defiant. The main evidence for this is, because the model had already been changed to ther series version when this episode was made, this means that the right to left shot was actually a reused shot, not one made for that episode. Although, as is common with TOS, the Enterprise alternates between the second pilot and series versions due to re-used footage, I am almost certain that this shot was never used again, which means that the ISS 1701 is a little different than the Defiant she was based on. Ironically, McCoy points out that this ship's equipment is slightly more primitive than the normal 1701, which actually fits it's appearance quite nicely.

Two shots of the reverse decal effect. [1] [2]

An alternate theory is that the ISS 1701 is actually a composite of these two versions. Gil Brumana had made a Polar Lights version of this idea, and it's pretty cool. Gil's ISS Enterprise -- Mariner 17:46, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

The story as I am familiar with it is that the Series Enterprise Model was first created for the second pilot, replacing the Smaller Unlit Model used in the first appearance. In the initial filming, the ship was fitted with the grates at the aft of the nacelles, the tall bridge dome and the spikes on the nacelles' fore. They took most of the stock footage of the ship there, including a series of shots of the Enterprise with the decals reversed, so they could show the ship from the other direction later in the series, if the need be. The Series Enterprise Model was then modified with the regular bridge and nacelle rear domes and fore non-spiked domes (the impulse vents and deflector dish were also altered). The stock footage filmed during "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was mostly reused to show Enterprise from the rear or from beneath during the series -- and it was often combined with newer shots of the modified model, so the Enterprise would have a tall bridge, and grated nacelle endpieces in one shot, but then a newer flyby would show the shorter bridge and nacelles with rear globes attached.

The footage of the ISS Enterprise flying from the other direction in "Mirror, Mirror" was modified in that manner because it was an example of footage filmed of the Series Model before the beginning of the previous season, that hadn't ended up being extensively reused. I'm not sure how to find a source for this explanation -- i can't remember where I read it, but there was a site about the history of the various TOS models. -- Captain Mike K. Bartel^talk 18:04, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

re Mariner: I suppose they could have reversed the footage, and just stamped the decals, registry, etc onto the footage one frame at a time, that's how they did all their other effects anyway -- ME 23:00, 04 May 2006 (CEST)

Photo[]

Is there a photo of the "remastered" ISS Enterprise NCC-1701? - J. Sparrow 22:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Fate[]

Why is it safe to assume it did not self destruct over a mirror Genesis? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.66.212.175 .

I don't think mirror Kirk would care when Spock died. (but maybe he didn't die at all?) Who knows the mirror universe is a big unknown. --From TrekkyStar^{Peace and Long Life} 19:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed the note as it has no real basis:

The fate of the ISS Enterprise remains unknown, but it is probably safe to assume that she was not self-destructed over a mirror Genesis Planet.

– Cleanse 11:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dialogue in the Mirror Universe DS9 might lead one to believe that Spock didn't die on Mirror Genesis (if there was a Mirror Genesis at all). Mirror-Kira states that Spock's policies after taking over the Empire caused the overthrough of the Empire by the Alliance. Maybe that happened in the years between 2265 and 2285, but seems like it might take longer for the fall of a centuries'old Empire ?

Shattered Universe?[]

Just off-topic slightly, is this a different ISS Enterprise to the one which the USS (or ISS not sure) Excelsior faced in Star Trek: Shattered Universe? Because it seemed to have the same registry number but no letter (unless i missed something)...XNERZHULx 18:30, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Star Trek: Shattered Universe isn't cannon so it doesn't matter on this talk page O.o - 93.97.255.48 18:44, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Appearance in Mirrors[]

It's the ship from an alternate timeline. That story matches what we saw in "Terra Firma, Part 2" with Georgiou and Saru.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 13:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

So does that lead us to another ISS Enterprise page creation? ‐ Yaroze86 (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I'll modify the page later, but we simply need to add a section for the alternate timeline. Other ships have it, including Discovery. The only ones who have unique pages are the ones who have different names in alternate timelines/universes. Like the World Razer or the UEF Enterprise.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I might agree with you if the Kelpien was named on the plaque. However, this individual was not named, and the events align up with the historical account given in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's episode "Crossover". Memphis77 (talk) 18:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Book and Burnham said that it was Saru. According to this ship's own page if I remember correctly its known history ends with the visit in "Mirror, Mirror." It can't be original Mirror Saru, didn't he end up as dinner??? And the Guardian of Forever specifically said that because Georgiou saved him, Saru would go on to save many other people. Which fits with all of the people that he saved by taking over this ship.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like I'm wrong about that. It's really damn hard to read the plaque so I was just going off of my interpretation of what Book and Burnham were saying, but I think it says "new High Chancellor" near the start and it refers to either the Chancellor or the Kelpian rebel leader as "he," I can't tell which. But if you use the Universal Stardate Converter thing that there's a link to at the bottom of the stardate page, it gives a date of August 2, 2277, about 20 years after Discovery's visit and about 10 years after Kirk and the Enterprise. That could be Spock's title instead of Commander-in-chief or another word for his title.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 19:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

This is what I can make out from the plaque currently:

The new High Chancellor presented hope and justice as if they were natural to our world. His words 'the light of hope shines through even the darkest of nights" became our rallying cry. He spoke of reform and changed many of us. But some saw this as weakness. They killed him, and we sought help from an unlikely ally: A Kelpien slave turned rebel leader. He spoke of visitors from another world... A near perfect mirror that casts our darkness into light. With his aid we secured the Enterprise but he stayed behind to continue his work. We bear scares from our escape. But our hope remains. May it carry a shinning, peaceful, and just future. ‐ Yaroze86 (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I would say that the last three words are, "and just future."Memphis77 (talk) 22:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you are correct. Thanks! Change made. ‐ Yaroze86 (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I think this is another case of MA having jumped the gun on conclusions based on too little info. Time travel doesn't always lead to alternate timelines, sometimes it leads to the prime timeline (Chronowerx is an example). The plaque in Mirrors seems to be indication that the writers consider the Carl-induced timeline to be the prime mirror timeline. At the very least, there's no proof it isn't the prime mirror timeline that links to all other mirror universe episodes. Wickedjacob2 (talk) 20:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Time of entry[]

So given the stardate 32336.6 as to when the Enterprise successfully crossed into the prime universe and Cho later returning to the ship at some point and hid her clue to the Progenitors' technology amongst the possessions. This would put the point in which they crossed into the prime universe into the TNG timeframe. If we are to go by TNG stardates that would be around 2355 (earlier in 2240's if using some of the other know stardates from VOY) at the latest and about 14 years before 2369. Just leaving this here in the event it is needed later. ‐ Yaroze86 (talk) 11:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)