Donatu V? Edit

Where is this Donatu V reference coming from in "The Vulcan Hello"? If it was in the flashback scene at the Vulcan academy, then I'm not sure how it was confused with Doctari Alpha, because even if the first word is disputed (sounded like and cc'd as "Doctari"), the computer voice most certainly said "Alpha". --Alan del Beccio (talk) 13:25, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I was just about to go back through the episode and check that - I was also certain it wasn't Donatu. -- Michael Warren | Talk 13:29, September 25, 2017 (UTC)
I'm certain it's in there; it's only said once, though. The "Doctari Alpha" stuff is a different part of the episode. --Defiant (talk) 14:57, September 25, 2017 (UTC)
T'Kuvma mentions it in the next episode, but I don't recall it being said in relation to Burnham. -- Michael Warren | Talk 15:48, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

I don't either, and I tried to take pretty good notes during the broadcast, and Donatu V would have struck me as one of those "wink wink, nod nod" things I would have quickly caught. --Alan del Beccio (talk) 16:05, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake, confused the mention by T'Kuvma with the previous mention of Doctari Alpha. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 17:11, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

Klingon Attacks, Learning Centers Edit

Is anyone else confused about how many attacks she survived and where? In an Ep 1 flashback scene set in a (the?) Vulcan Learning Center with young Burnham and Sarek we learn that she survived a Klingon "terror raid" which killed her parents. In Ep 2, in another flashback we actually see her survive an attack in a learning center from which she is rescued by Sarek. I see two possibilities here, both of which I feel are confusing choices by the writers.

The most obvious is that she was the victim of two attacks. One on Doctari Alpha in which her parents were killed. One later on Vulcan at the learning center. This is the version recounted on this page. But isn't it an add choice to refer to two very similar defining moments in a character's backstory and all in crammed into the first two episodes? Any time her traumatic childhood is referred to in these and future episodes you have to scratch you head and remember which incident they are talking about. And why show us Sarek rescuing her in a second attack when surely the more meaningful event would have been Sarek rescuing her from the attack which killed her parents and thus becoming her surrogate father. There is nothing unrealistic about this. I merely wonder if we are getting it wrong because it feels like such a strange and confusing writing choice.

The second possibility is that there she survived only one bombing, at a Vulcan learning center on Doctari Alpha, where Sarek was already a friend of the family. Later, she continues attending a Vulcan learning center (either on Vulcan or the same one on Doctari Alpha). To me this makes a lot of sense, except in the way it's exposited on the show. Why in the world would they choose to set the scene where we learn about the attack in the same place (or very similar place filmed on an identical set) as we latter learn the attack itself took place? Utterly confusing. --Ranger001 (talk) 21:42, September 28, 2017 (UTC)

Seems fairly obvious to me that the ep2 flashback was an impressionistic dreamlike superposition that blured the Doctari Alpha attack on the learning center where she was confronted with it again, and Sarek's attempt to contact her in the present time. Though it's worth noting that regarding all this background of her parents being killed and Sarek then adopting her that was explained before the show, not all that much was confirmed in a hard sense in the show yet - so editors should thread very carefully with this article because canon, not publicity should inform it. -- Capricorn (talk) 10:33, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Oh well of course! That explains it. How could I have been confused? And I second you concern about publicity babble.--Ranger001 (talk) 20:21, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Sarek expressely refers to the "bombing at the Learning Center". It seemed clear to me that this was meaning specifically the Vulcan Learning Center, and that this was distinct from the "Klingon terror raid" at "the Human-Vulcan science outpost at Doctari Alpha". -- Michael Warren | Talk 13:37, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Possibly. I still think there is room for a lot of confusion there. And I'm not totally convinced that there is only one "Vulcan Learning Center", though I understand that is what is implied by the dialogue in Star Trek '09. Just a thought.--Ranger001 (talk) 20:21, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Expressed by dialogue in this episode as well. "The only human to attend the Vulcan Learning Center and Science Academy..." -- Michael Warren | Talk 05:46, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Father Edit

According to Sonequa Martin-Green, Michael Burnham was named after her biological father. She said this at the "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" Q&A in London and, iirc, in a magazine interview. Aaron Harberts has approved the idea that "Michael" was the father's name. So, where should the page be? "Michael (father)"? "Michael Burnham (father)"? Something else? --Defiant (talk) 21:01, November 6, 2017 (UTC)

Just the background section. It's not canon until confirmed in episode. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 00:17, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Wrong. For characters and items that aren't named in canon, we take names from production sources. --Defiant (talk) 06:48, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

According to Harberts she was named for the archangel Michael, but now "prefers" her version. [1] Don't know where this leaves us though. Kennelly (talk) 09:00, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Seems simple to me. Analogous to a script, the naming of Michael Burnham after the archangel Michael was an early situation (a bit like a first draft, therefore suitable as bginfo, and aside from that, it's irrelevant info as regards this wiki). The archangel Michael isn't an unnamed Star Trek character, whereas Michael Burnham's father obviously is, and yet we now have a production-sourced name for him. So, the question isn't whether to use it or not. The question is, as I said, how to format the page. --Defiant (talk) 09:20, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Harberts is a producer/writer while Sonequa Martin-Green is not, and he states that she was named after the archangel. That he might now like Sonequa's opinion on the name is an interesting bg note but doesn't change the original source of the name. Until they establish her father's name, there shouldn't yet be a separate page on him; he should be listed at Unnamed Humans (23rd century) if he's not already. 31dot (talk) 12:02, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Serial NumberEdit

In what episode was Burnhman's serial number revealed?Jkirk8907 (talk) 19:57, July 24, 2018 (UTC)

Shuttle accident/Lorca note Edit

The note about Burnham's prison shuttle accident and Lorca possibly engineering it seems logical, but without more direct evidence, it's too speculative, like something that belongs on a discussion page and not in a reference article. Maybe it should be it deleted? -- BlueResistance (talk) 17:15, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Given the bizarre leadup and later revelations about Lorca's true colors and motives, the entire shuttle "accident" and subsequent rescue may have been staged by Lorca to recruit Burnham.
You are quite correct and I have moved it, despite the addition of a few words that did not change the authenticity any. --Alan (talk) 17:48, January 13, 2019 (UTC)