Talk: NCC-502

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Two ships? Same registry?[]

I’m assuming that you can tell there were two ships in the wreckage from duplication of debris. But did they both have the same registry, visibly? That seems like a goof. —Josiah Rowe (talk) 11:18, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Nope. Meet the sister ships' sister ships: NCC-G1465. --Alan (talk) 11:26, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

I stand corrected, I guess. —Josiah Rowe (talk) 13:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, there is no way to accurately split them, other than to randomly ID them as "first ship"/"second ship". --Alan (talk) 13:26, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I'm pretty sure we never see the "second" ship with a registry. NCC-502 appears a few times in shots, and starts being parted out as projectiles, but the second ship is never in those shots. From what I can tell there were clearly at least two ships, but we can really only say one has this registry. - Archduk 3 20:50, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

At time stamp 11:14, there is a shot of the aft portion of NCC-502. At time stamp 12:47-12:50, there is a shot of a another NCC-502. This one is more intact, with the aft portion attached to the bow portion. Both are missing the nacelle pylons and the warp nacelles.--Memphis77 (talk) 21:26, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

I'm kinda thinking at least a few animation errors are happening here, as the registry appears and disappears from pieces depending on the shot. At least one more or less whole 502 is seen and then later "thrown" at the Cerritos, while another labeled section is also seen and thrown, though the registry isn't there in all the shots of that latter "chunk". It seems to me a single "drawing" was used for multiple pieces at a certain angle, and that one had the registry, while all other shots of those chunks don't except for the more or less intact one, which has registries on both sides of the hull at different angles. As far as I can tell no single shot has labeled chunks from at least two ships, it just seems a single labeled drawing was reused. It would help to actually get all the shots here, but I'm kinda limited in doing that right now. - Archduk 3 22:22, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

There are at least three nacelles in the scene(s), two attached, one in the debris field. During the initial faceoff, in the lower right is ship seen with two nacelles, and a third nacelle in the upper left of the shot. Whether the second ship is also NCC-502 may be debatable, there really seems to be enough nacelles for one and a half ships... --Alan (talk) 18:18, September 18, 2020 (UTC)

There is clearly more than one ship, but we never see two parts with the same registry in the same shot. The only reason to assume that both ships have the same registry is that a chunk labeled as NCC-502 was seen in two different shots as presumably the same bit of two different ships. It's the same drawing, so the reuse of the registry could be down to just that, and it could be the same chunk of a single ship being used again, though that seems slightly less likely due to the other bits of the ships involved in that shot. The shot Alan added has a chunk later seen with a registry unlabeled, so there could have been three, or even more ships. I'm just saying there are other possibilities here we should check on before definitively saying this is two ships with the same registry, since no single shot shows that. - Archduk 3 18:52, September 18, 2020 (UTC)