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Smile

In what episode does Seven first smile? --Defiant (talk) 16:03, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

update species to xB

species should be changed to xB to match nomenclature from Picard -- The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.190.19.62 (talk).

xB isn't a species. --Alan (talk) 03:49, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

Locked

How long will Seven's page remain locked for editing?

70.176.187.76 02:36, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

The article is a target for excessive vandalism. You are welcome to propose an edit on this page- or you may create an account and become autoconfirmed by making valid edits to other articles. 31dot (talk) 02:45, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

"Seven's" Name

I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, that's why I am just leaving this as a comment on the Talk page rather than trying to insert anything in the actual article proper, but the character being named "Seven of Nine" rather than "Seventh of Nine" is such apoor, nonsensical choice for a Borg unit designation. It conveys absolutely no useful information about the Drone's staus, function, or unit assignment, which would be the only reason for a Borg Drone to even have an individual designation in the first place, and it just drives me up the wall anytime I see or hear it.

I will never understand why the makers of Voyager handled the Borg so poorly and made such poor creative decisions about them, although after reading a few articles about the struggles between what the witers wanted to do with the show and what producer Rick Berman made them do, I do have some ideas, and I believe that the choice for "Seven of Nine's" name was most likely one of those things that Berman cae up with and enforced against the writers.

RyokoMocha (talk) 14:47, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, this is something more suited to the MA discussions board than here. Talk pages on MA are more designed to be used to discuss how to improve articles or discussing problems with them. -- Sulfur (talk) 15:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Removed speculation

I removed the following speculation:

In 2399, Seven began a romantic relationship with Raffaela Musiker, but by 2401 the relationship had cooled due to Seven's commitment to her work with the Fenris Rangers taking her away from Earth. (PIC: "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2", "The Star Gazer")

The first part of the sentence is implied, but not developed further, and the second part is pure speculation. -- Renegade54 (talk) 01:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it really? I thought it was spelled out pretty clearly in the conversation between Raffi and Picard. —Josiah Rowe (talk) 03:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
It only needs rewording to be more accurate. We know they had a romantic interest in each other, we know that it didn't develop because Raffi thought Seven was too independent to settle down and didn't feel like she had the right to ask. -- UncertainError (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi, the user behind the original edit here. Apologies if this is still seen as speculation but I thought it had been established enough in on-screen dialogue to be included. Maybe for now it can be included in an inset paragraph mentioning the behind-the-scenes discussion of their relationship at the very least? At present it just seems odd to have it entirely omitted.
Asifandwhen (talk) 11:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi, checking in a month later and there's still no mention of her relationship with Raffi, either here or on Raffi's page. This seems like a really odd, deliberate omission at this point. Asifandwhen (talk) 17:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Or more simply, no one here has assigned tasks and therefore it's not a high priority to those not particularly interested in the matter, at least, not compared to the thousands of other things that could possibly be addressed around here. –Gvsualan (talk) 18:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
That's fair and apologies that I came across as snarky. I just don't know how to add back in my original edit in a way that won't just be immediately removed again for the same reason. _ Asifandwhen (talk) 18:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not so sure what was removed was that completely inaccurate. It was implied by their hand touching in the last season's finale, then there was the discussion between her and Picard at the Academy, then the various bitter comments Raffi made in "Assimilation", and I'm sure more in "Watcher", and Seven finally confronting Raffi's attitude in "Fly Me to the Moon". This really isn't as difficult as the above discussion is making it sound it should be. –Gvsualan (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Date resolution

So in "Penance", the Borg Queen stated that: "Hansen, Annika. Assimilated 2350." This certainly gave us a new "hard date", but one that clearly conflicts with the 2354 departure date given in the okudagram that appeared in "The Gift":

2354

Registry archive
Personnel database
Subject: Annika Hansen

According to arrival/departure log from
the Drexler outpost in sector Omega
exploration vessel "Jefferies" left that
location in 2354. No flight plan was
filed and no further contact was
ever established. Last known heading was
237/47.

Which obviously turns itself into its own joke:

..and then some

"Jefferies" crew consisted only of
father and mother Hansen, whose names
will never be visible on television, and
their young daughter pictured here.

Other data should be here, but I don't
have time to be creative. I'll just
fill in the gaps with amusing babel and
pointless drivel to make this paragraph
longer than the other one.

Then one sentence for visual interest.

The following is a summary of the information given during the course of VOY regarding Seven's youth and assimilation:

Time as Borg
  • In "Scorpion, Part II", Seven stated that "This body was assimilated eighteen years ago. It ceased to be Human at that time."
  • In "The Gift", Chakotay and Janeway discussed their preliminary knowledge of Seven, where, Chakotay stated, "For all we know, Annika and her parents were the first Humans the Borg ever assimilated," with Janeway responding, "From what she's told me, that was almost twenty years ago."
  • In "The Raven", Tuvok noted, upon the discovery of the Raven, that "Tritanium decay suggests it has been here for nearly twenty years."
  • In "Collective", Icheb stated to Seven, "You were a drone for eighteen years." She replied, "Correct." As the discussion continued, Icheb also noted that "You were assimilated as a juvenile, like us."
  • In "Unimatrix Zero", Axum stated to Seven that "You were a part of our lives for eighteen years."

These points all seem to be the basis for the previously established ~2356 assimilation, as she was clearly a drone for 18 years, but, consider too that it was further stated by Seven in "Collective" that:

  • "When I was first captured by the Borg, I was young and frightened. I watched my parents assimilated. Then I was placed in a maturation chamber, and the Hive mind began to restructure my synaptic pathways, purge my individuality. When I emerged five years later, the turmoil of my forced assimilation had been replaced with order."

Are those 5 inefficient years restructuring her brain part of the 18, or do they precede it? In other words, is this how TPTB rationalized 2350: ~5 + ~18 years = ~2373 (ca. "Scorpion")?

Age of assimilation
  • In "The Raven", Seven summarized her time aboard the Raven, as "This was our ship. We lived here. We lived here for a long time. My father did experiments. They were very important, and we had to travel a long way. I had my birthday here. My cake had six candles on it, and one more to grow on. And then the men came. Papa tried to fight them but they were too strong. I tried to hide. Maybe they wouldn't find me because I was little, but they did. And Papa said we were going to crash and the big man picked me up, and then suddenly we weren't on the ship anymore. We were somewhere else. And then I became Borg."
  • In "Once Upon a Time", Seven explained to Neelix that "I was only six years old when I was assimilated."
  • In "Dark Frontier", Janeway mentioned Seven's parents, noting, "They spent their careers studying the Borg. They tracked a cube at close range for what, two years?" Seven answered "Three [years]." Later, The Doctor opined of Seven's parents to Janeway, "They should have quit while they were ahead. Ten million terraquads of data, three years in the wild." Further stating, "Most explorers don't take their four year old daughter along for the ride."
  • Unfortunately, in "Author, Author": it was stated by Seven's aunt that, "You seem like a lovely young woman. But you were the most stubborn six-year-old I've ever met."

The last bullet point clearly conflicts with the previously stated facts that she had celebrated her sixth birthday prior to/was six when she was assimilated (and her aunt was likely wrong about the age of someone she last saw 20+ years ago), but most of the VOY data lines up, except that that date would have been born ~2350 (work: 2374-18 (as Borg)=2356-6 (as Human child)=2350), which now clearly does not work with the new information. (For reference, Ryan would have been 29 y/o to Seven's approximate 24 y/o.)

(For that matter, even using the unsupported stardate math of lore, her birth date of "Stardate 25479" = 2348 --which means she was assimilated in 2354, the same year the ship supposedly departed).

So, going by the Borg Queen's date (assuming that it was in reference to "prime" Seven of Nine), the going back from her assimilated date of 2350: their ship departed in ~2347 (-3 exploring), and Seven was born in ~2344 (-6 age). This means that Seven is 57 y/o in Picard to the real 53 y/o Ryan.

Just food for thought. –Gvsualan (talk) 19:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with it. I read the justification posted earlier; however, it seems to like a continuity error. It directly contradicts over 20 years of Voyager history and it's also worth noting that the Queen wasn't exactly lucid (as noted in the episode) when she gave that 2350 date, so she very likely was off. I propose restoring the original 2349 birth date. Capt. Morgan (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

But it doesn't. Even after the above, the last episode proved the above theory to be true. She was six when she was assimilated, she was assimilated in 2350...because the theory math still works to supports the PIC canon, as well, there was zero justification for the 2349 date, which I couldn't even prove above as an alternative. Lucid canon > No source whatsoever. –Gvsualan (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Keep in mind however that the Collective sustained a lot of "problems" when the VOY queen died of Icheb's virus in Endgame, and Seven's personnal files must have been kept in the Queen's private library, so to speak. There's no telling how much data corruption there was in the Collective's databank, data corruption which destroyed the Primary Unicomplex, again as depicted in Endgame. So one could argue that the Queen could be innacuratein such details, and it would rather be a character error rather than a continuity issue. To make a modern day comparison, if your computer fries overnight while it was working unattended, expect some stuff in your drives to be corrupted. Lexers615 (talk) 01:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Birthdate

First, I apologize for creating a new heading. For some reason, it's not letting me edit the existing one so someone will have to merge it. In response to the date being "proven", I disagree mostly because it's justified with the "emerged from a maturation chamber after five years". That doesn't justify the 2344 date - she was still a Borg at that time, just developing. It's 20 years of canon that is being contested over a clearly non-lucid Borg Queen was rambling and (in my opinion) flawed math from someone who took it far too literally (no disrespect intended, just how I see it). I stand by my suggestion to restore the original date and think more people should chime in Capt. Morgan (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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