Talk:Storm Front, Part II (episode)

Storm Front, Part II

• Self-nomination. The concluding episode in the "Storm Front" two-parter. --Defiant | Talk 21:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Support Tobyk777 23:49, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. You write great articles (once again, no vote from me on account of not seeing it) and I'm sure this will be featured, but I think you might want to break up some of the paragraphs. In particular act three, paragraph one looks awfully long. I think this is because you alot one paragraph per scene, which is a good policy, but doesn't have to be absolute. --Schrei 17:32, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Looks good to me. Support. -Platypus Man 17:37, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• After a few very minor tweaks, it now has my full Support. An excellent article. --From Andoria with Love 04:16, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Support, although the image of Daniels right on top of Earth, and then going over that line annoys me. Not that it needs to be fixed or anything, it just does. - AJHalliwell 05:19, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Featured - Alan del Beccio 23:02, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

As an European, it is nice to see that (quite) only the US presidents have the honor to figure into MA database on an individual page.Philoust123 19:11, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Timeline reset scene (from Ten Forward)

Why are there pages about the people (notably Presidents) who appeared in the timeline reset scene in "Storm Front, Part II"? The pages are written as if they are the same people in the Star Trek universe. Shouldn't these be changed to be similar to the pages about actors? After all, that's what they are, their roles are only uncredited. --Defiant | Talk 16:21, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No, Stephen Hawking is the page about the person in the Star Trek universe -- or is it the page about the Stephen Hawking who played him. Hmm... -- Captain Mike K. Bartel^talk 13:35, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

• I feel we should make a page for the timestream and place the images there, deleting the random pages about Clinton, Blair, Bush. We can make all the little speculative arguments that the community feels the need to have there made into notes at the bottom or something. These pages are currently causing endless trouble and absolutely every word on them is non-canon because we don't know anything about their context. Should we decide to keep these pages and not place them into an article about the timestream then we are soon going to end up having to work them into Human history and then heaven help us. Jaf 13:19, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)Jaf

"Vladimir Brezhnev"? Huh? Lenin or Brezhnev? gul garak 06:31, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

You're history!

I do wish Manny Coto knew some history... This is a prime example of writers doing alternate history without knowing what the real history looked like, first. A weak Russia wouldn't encourage Hitler to attack Britain, but Russia (because he despised Slavs as sub-human); no Coms doesn't perforce mean a weak Russia (given Stalin's appeals to "Rodina", it may mean stronger Russia); & invasion of the U.S. is a fantasy (Germany couldn't successfully invade Britain, let alone execute a transatlantic invasion).

I also wonder just how Stuka dive bombers made strafing passes on Enterprise & where the Me-262s were... It was enjoyable even so. gul garak 06:50, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. You'd think they could at least closely read some of Turtledove's stuff. It's actually just as plausible, if not moreso, that no Lenin could have meant no Hitler, because the outcome of the FIRST World War would have been a bit different. And, any transatlantic invasion of North America seems very unlikely before the mid-50's at least, and the only real way to make it work would have been for the Nazis to start coming up from Mexico, not taking New York. It's well supported that Hitler didn't really want a war with the US and tried to avoid one, and it's arguable he fancied an alliance with the US even. This is likely because they worked backwards from what they wanted; they wanted the Nazis in the US invading, and they wanted New York captured... and they wanted it in the early 40's like WW2 was. Unfortunately this just wasn't in the cards historically so the setup was flimsy. More likely would have been, in the turmoil of the 20's having Britain taken by a fascist group sympathetic to Hitler... and then via a German-British alliance using Canada as a starting point to invade the east coast. (But US fascists would have been more likely, though no invasion then.) --JCoyote 21:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

If no Lenin still allowed for the rise of Hitler then it would be pointless to go for Moscow as St Petersburgs would Be the Capital.) --[[User: Jimbo On Wales

Hmm....Strange

Not sure if mentioned in article, but shouldn't it be considered "Strange" that Germans would accept Aliens just as badly as jews? German Superiority or whatever. NeoExelor 18:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly which way you intended that to sound. But the Nazi concept of ubermensch was based in some pseudoscience and mysticism. They didn't think they were the only superior race, just the purest of them. They searched the world for archaelogical evidence of "aryan races". Convincing the Nazis your highly technologically advanced alien race was kindred spirits might not have been that hard, especially when your offering them advanced technology and telling them what they want to hear about their own theories. "Your Nazi beliefs are precisely correct, we had to do the exact same thing on our world to keep the impure races from holding us back." Suddenly the Nazis would have been their buddies after that. --JCoyote 23:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)