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Altered timeline

So... given that Georgiou apparently altered the timeline during her time in the mirror universe (judging from Carl's comments), how are we approaching the events of season 1's mirror universe arc, set in 2257? Stamets and Landry were still alive in those episodes, while both are killed off here in ~2255. - Mitchz95 (talk) 03:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd say recount events from both the original and altered timeline on all pages. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 04:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
These events are an alternate timeline, Carl says A mirror universe, not the mirror universe. Alternate timelines are not unique to the prime universe. - Archduk3 05:24, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
But do we have any way of knowing which timeline continues to the events of "Mirror, Mirror" and DS9’s MU episodes? In other words, if Kirk checked the databanks on the ISS Enterprise, would it say that Emperor Phillipa Georgiou died in 2255 on board the ISS Discovery or in 2257 on the ISS Charon? And if we can’t answer that question, what justification do we have for presenting the DIS Season 1 events as part of the "real" history of the MU and the DIS Season 3 events as an alternate timeline? —Josiah Rowe (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
No we don't, but you're overthinking it. DISCO isn't for smart people, it's for the dumb masses. It's not for nerds, it's for nerd culture. It follows the "who gives a fuck" rules of time travel, also known as the "don't think about it" or "Endgame" rules. That said, you can rationally make a choice by doing what DISCO seemingly requires us to do every season, make the smallest leaps in logic possible while filling in the slapdash storytelling with structure and consistency.
First, we don't even know that it was an alternate timeline, could have been a vision or illusion. Since the question was asked as a physical one in the show though ("if she was gone who was here?"), we're going to assume that it's an alternate timeline and physically another "self" of Georgiou lived it "for real". The writers also added in the "there are more than a few seconds of readings on her wrist thing" from Contact, so we can pretty safely assume an alternate timeline. Second, we're also going to assume that the "prime mirror timeline" follows events in the "prime timeline" for simplicity's sake. It's just easier this way. Also, the whole thing the ISS Charon being intact with its "will destroy all universes" super-mycelial reactor would kinda make the events of S1 both pointless and the events of S3 impossible, so probably best to not think about that too much. These writers can't even keep their stories straight, no wonder they had to run away from "canon". Third, we can just wait until SNW is out of ideas and goes back to the mirror well. I have no doubt if/when that happens they will make a point to reference the Charon. Whatever they need to do to not make any new digital models.
So, as you can see, the show can't say for certain what is what, but if we just give ourselves a headache and try not to think about how those people are making money doing the thing you've done for decades now for free, we can arrive at something resembling a cohesive story and not 20 minutes of content that is mostly a bunch of cool visuals and witty dialogue snippets strung together and stretched out for around 40. Also, needless slow motion bit but never, never, NEVER another shuttle model that isn't just junk added on or taken off of the the Class C. - Archduk3 23:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? —Josiah Rowe (talk) 00:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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