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Don't they have a method to make a lower absolute zero in he 23rd century?
 
Don't they have a method to make a lower absolute zero in he 23rd century?
 
*no? absolute zero is simply [[Wikipedia:absolute zero|absolute zero]], there isn't anything colder than the complete absence of heat--[[User:Meatball|'''meat''']]*[[User_talk:Meatball|<sup>ball</sup>]] 19:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 
*no? absolute zero is simply [[Wikipedia:absolute zero|absolute zero]], there isn't anything colder than the complete absence of heat--[[User:Meatball|'''meat''']]*[[User_talk:Meatball|<sup>ball</sup>]] 19:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
**But although Absolute Zero is the point where all molecules stop movement, perhaps in the 23rd-24th century, scientists formulated/innovated a way to '''throw molecules in reverse'''. If we figured out how to drive cars, ships, and any mode of transport in reverse, then we may someday figure out how to move molecules in reverse. --[[User:129.130.38.223|129.130.38.223]] 21:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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**But although Absolute Zero is the point where all molecules stop movement, perhaps in the 23rd-24th century, scientists formulated/innovated a way to '''throw molecules in reverse'''. If we figured out how to drive cars, ships, and any mode of transport in reverse, then we may someday figure out how to move molecules in reverse. --[[Special:Contributions/129.130.38.223|129.130.38.223]] 21:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 
***Movement in another direction is still movement. The direction has no bearing, molecules move in many directions, not a straight line. [[Special:Contributions/70.106.109.78|70.106.109.78]] 16:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 
***Movement in another direction is still movement. The direction has no bearing, molecules move in many directions, not a straight line. [[Special:Contributions/70.106.109.78|70.106.109.78]] 16:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
   
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Sometimes, when actors have a thick accent or they say something wrong (or if they cuss and the show airs on a network), their lines get dubbed over with a more suitable-sounding line, so '''why didn't Paramount dub over Geordi's statement about the impossible temperature???'''
 
Sometimes, when actors have a thick accent or they say something wrong (or if they cuss and the show airs on a network), their lines get dubbed over with a more suitable-sounding line, so '''why didn't Paramount dub over Geordi's statement about the impossible temperature???'''
 
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As soon as the producers realized the mistake, couldn't they have asked Geordi to repeat the line, but change it to "-291ºF" or "-261ºC" and use the recording to dub over the mistake? --[[User:129.130.38.223|129.130.38.223]] 19:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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As soon as the producers realized the mistake, couldn't they have asked Geordi to repeat the line, but change it to "-291ºF" or "-261ºC" and use the recording to dub over the mistake? --[[Special:Contributions/129.130.38.223|129.130.38.223]] 19:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
   
 
:maybe they have a new low temperature for absolute zero. After all, it does take place 300 years in the future.--[[User:Babaganoosh|Babaganoosh]] 20:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 
:maybe they have a new low temperature for absolute zero. After all, it does take place 300 years in the future.--[[User:Babaganoosh|Babaganoosh]] 20:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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:::...do the lip movements resemble each other well? I think they do. I understand when episode producers are concerned about matching lip movements when dubbing over a mistake, but I believe the lip movements when stating the above two temperatures match well enough, so they ought to dub it over if they haven't already. --[[User:129.130.38.223|129.130.38.223]] 21:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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:::...do the lip movements resemble each other well? I think they do. I understand when episode producers are concerned about matching lip movements when dubbing over a mistake, but I believe the lip movements when stating the above two temperatures match well enough, so they ought to dub it over if they haven't already. --[[Special:Contributions/129.130.38.223|129.130.38.223]] 21:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
   
 
I realize that there is much contention regarding whether or not this "nitpick" should be included in the article. Isn't there someway to factually point out the error, as is done on many other episode pages, without applying criticism as well? Again, other pages point out when Troi trips over the Turbolift door, or a sound boom is seen in a mirror, why should this mistake be any different? --[[User:Erulin9|Erulin9]] 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)&ndash; [[User:Erulin9|Erulin9]] 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 
I realize that there is much contention regarding whether or not this "nitpick" should be included in the article. Isn't there someway to factually point out the error, as is done on many other episode pages, without applying criticism as well? Again, other pages point out when Troi trips over the Turbolift door, or a sound boom is seen in a mirror, why should this mistake be any different? --[[User:Erulin9|Erulin9]] 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)&ndash; [[User:Erulin9|Erulin9]] 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

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Episode comments

Interesting thought, there are many who think "The Royale" was lacking in the interest department (Many TOS outings like this one involved more of a climax dealing with the "godlike aliens" responsible).
In the future, comments like these would be better placed on our message area, unless you are directly mentioning information that is being added or removed from the article. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk

Tobin?

Why does it say Tobin was in Facets? Wasn't he in "Playing God"? Tiberius 07:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I think your thinking of "Arjin," the trill initiate. Tobin Dax was a past Dax host, though I can understand how you misunderstood based on the odd wording here... which I shall now fix. - AJ Halliwell 07:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Temp

Don't they have a method to make a lower absolute zero in he 23rd century?

  • no? absolute zero is simply absolute zero, there isn't anything colder than the complete absence of heat--meat*ball 19:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
    • But although Absolute Zero is the point where all molecules stop movement, perhaps in the 23rd-24th century, scientists formulated/innovated a way to throw molecules in reverse. If we figured out how to drive cars, ships, and any mode of transport in reverse, then we may someday figure out how to move molecules in reverse. --129.130.38.223 21:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Movement in another direction is still movement. The direction has no bearing, molecules move in many directions, not a straight line. 70.106.109.78 16:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Temperature Statement Dubbing

Sometimes, when actors have a thick accent or they say something wrong (or if they cuss and the show airs on a network), their lines get dubbed over with a more suitable-sounding line, so why didn't Paramount dub over Geordi's statement about the impossible temperature???


As soon as the producers realized the mistake, couldn't they have asked Geordi to repeat the line, but change it to "-291ºF" or "-261ºC" and use the recording to dub over the mistake? --129.130.38.223 19:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

maybe they have a new low temperature for absolute zero. After all, it does take place 300 years in the future.--Babaganoosh 20:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and if we start here, adding that, strangely, a mistake wasn't corrected by dubbing, we could add the same to many other episodes where somebody flunked a line, pronounced a word incorrectly, identified a species by the wrong name, got planet numbers mixed up etc. It's only worth mentioning if such a mistake WAS corrected by dubbing, like with changing Template:ShipClass to Constellation class in "The Battle". --Jörg 20:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
If you could go to a mirror and vocalize the following statements:
  • "261ºC"
  • "291ºC"
...do the lip movements resemble each other well? I think they do. I understand when episode producers are concerned about matching lip movements when dubbing over a mistake, but I believe the lip movements when stating the above two temperatures match well enough, so they ought to dub it over if they haven't already. --129.130.38.223 21:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I realize that there is much contention regarding whether or not this "nitpick" should be included in the article. Isn't there someway to factually point out the error, as is done on many other episode pages, without applying criticism as well? Again, other pages point out when Troi trips over the Turbolift door, or a sound boom is seen in a mirror, why should this mistake be any different? --Erulin9 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)– Erulin9 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The nitpicks policy states that we do not make comparisons to the real world. If you notice them in other places, those should probably be removed. That said, such a reference could possibly be mentioned if someone who worked on the show commented on it or(as said above) if there was an effort to correct it.--31dot 14:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
The point is, our episode pages were tending to become long lists of notes like this. If there is an article about the temperature scales, that article might note that the temperature scale used in Star Trek differs from how we would expect it to be used in real life -- but see how that has more to do with the article about temperature, and less to do with the article about the episode? The temperature is defined there in that article, but the episode is not defined by its use of jargon. The article for the episode is defined for its references and its summary. -- Captain MKB 15:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Fermats last theorem

Actually, Fermats last theorem has been proven by the now famous mathematician Andrew Wiles. See the Wikipedia site for more info, there's even a reference to this episode here. Link: Fermats last theorem on Wikipedia83.77.43.186 18:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Pulaski

Why was Pulaski credited for this episode? I don't remember where she appeared in it. Federation 06:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Here you go. --OuroborosCobra talk 06:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Aha! The conference room. Got it! Federation 08:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed nit

I've removed the following nit:

During the dice game, Data gets himself into a position where he need to roll a 6 (as a sum result of 2 dice), instead of his original goal of 7. Riker worriedly complains: "but the probability of making a 6 is no greater than that of rolling a 7". He is technically correct, but would have been more accurate to state "the probability of making a 6 is explicitly less than that of 7" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice#Probability). Given the context, one would expect him to use the accurate phrasing: it better supports his expressed worry.

Pointing out an error is one thing (since he was "technically correct", it's not a mistake). Analyzing it critically is another. This is an encyclopedia, not a nitpicker's guide. --From Andoria with Love 04:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

If Riker had said this, I'd had thought he was going out of character! Federation 02:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • This episode contains one of the most severe (in scientific terms) factual errors in the Star Trek series. Two minutes into the episode (thirty seconds in some versions), La Forge claims that the surface temperature of a planet is "minus 291 degrees Celsius"; however, this is colder than absolute zero (–273 °C), and is thus scientifically impossible. The apparent cause of this error is that the original script gave the temperature in Fahrenheit; the unit was changed to Celsius before filming, but the number was not adjusted.
It's a nitpick. — Morder 06:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Removed another statement regarding this nit as of today.--31dot 20:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Once more today. --TribbleFurSuit 19:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Once more.--31dot 21:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Inspiration?

I think the author, Tracy Torme, of this episode was inspired by the Eagles' "Hotel California".

Specifically the lines:

  • "I was thinking to myself this could be heaven or this could be hell"
  • "So I called up the Captain, 'Please bring me my wine.'"
  • "He said 'We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.'"
  • "...you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

If this could be confirmed it would make a nice addition to the background section of the article. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.88.4.228 (talk).

That's certainly a reach. --Alan 05:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Neither the Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion nor Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages note such a reference. But both note that the script was actually changed significantly from Torme's version, against his wishes (hence the pseudonym), and he disowned the final result.– Cleanse 10:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

91 Caddy

Texas says he drove to Las Vegas from Texas in his new '91 Caddy. The costuming, scenery and dialogue would suggest the novel takes place well before 1991. Is this just a function of the bad writting of The Royale, or a mistake? Vince 08:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure that in the 2030's, a '91 Caddy would be a cliche of goombah chic. All the rest of the costumes, scenery and dialogue were also cliches. Over-use of cliche is bad enough, mixing different cliches together is exceptionally bad. So, a bad novel. --TribbleFurSuit 16:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Ha Ha, sounds good. Vince47

Original script

Is there any information available about what the script looked like before it was changed "significantly" and Torne disowned it? (see here) I'm asking this because I think the assistant-manager had a somewhat different role in this version; one that would explain why he had information the novel characters normally would not have. In the beginning of the episode the man already knows the away team was going to arrive ("three strangers") and he also knows there where going to be foreign investors in the end...--Jumja 16:21, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

I wrote up all I could find on this episode onto the page. Afraid it doesn't answer your specific question though. ;-) Given the script disputes and rush to complete, I'd say they were just oversights.– Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 05:49, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Fermat's Theorem Help

Can someone write in the correct theorem? The original one when I tried to edit it contained jibberish at the end.--Obey the Fist!! 22:02, March 12, 2010 (UTC)