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  • T: The Vulcan Hello
  • A: DIS
  • N: 1x01
  • P: 101
  • C: 730
  • D: 24
  • M: September
  • Y: 2017
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2240s[]

The article speculates that the flashbacks took place in the 2240s. This information needs to be added to the 2240s page - but has it been confirmed whether we're in the prime or alternate reality? -Rhinecanthus rectangulus (talk) 13:02, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Georgiou's bookshelf[]

I think some noncanon might have slipped in regarding this episode. A whole number of articles on books have been created based on this tweet of Georgiou's bookshelf (and this close up of her Star Cross, but in the episode there appears to be a whole lot less books, and no Star Cross - at least if the notes on this stuff being on the bookshelf behind Georgiou's desk are to be believed. -- Capricorn (talk) 07:48, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, we should create articles only for what's visible in the episode, not in tweets. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 07:55, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
The articles can be moved to unreferenced material and be treated like any other unused production material, as real world articles. There is an excitement to learn about this universe. In the excitement, some might not have been as careful as they should be. However, these are easily corrected mistakes. As an aside, the tweets are from the production crew of "Discovery", so they can be believed. For one, Aaron Baiers is the producer of the series. For two, Ted Sullivan is a writer and supervising producer on the series. They may reflect a stage in the evolution of the ready room set.--Memphis77 (talk) 08:09, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) We do have cases where some prop or information was said to be on the set, but it wasn't clearly seen or even not seen at all in the episode, yet we have it as in-universe information(one that comes to mind is the prefix and registry of the ISS Defiant). That said, we got a pretty good look at Georgiou's ready room and I don't recall seeing where the books or her decoration were. If that's true, then we should only mention them as background information. 31dot (talk) 08:11, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
The medals are on the far wall of the ready room (there are actually three of them there, the Star Cross is top left). Above them is the Laikan Military Academy certificate. They're very briefly visible near the end of "The Vulcan Hello" when Burnham enters the ready room. The books are on the shelves behind Georgiou's desk on the top right, though there aren't as many as in the Twitter photo. -- UncertainError (talk) 09:08, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
Another example is the Picard family album. If we can't confirm the number in the episode vs the twitter picture it should be background info. -- Compvox (talk) 11:44, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's a given, and what Memphis, in essence, already said. --Alan del Beccio (talk) 11:58, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
She also has a bunch of seashells pierced by an axis ornament (on top of "by any other name"), and a round vessel (right).--LauraCC (talk) 16:55, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
Shenzhou ready room
I see a telescope (left, above her elbow), what looks like a triangle shaped crystal award thing (something like these https://www.google.ca/search?q=crystal+award&rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA764CA764&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG79mkmcbWAhUK5WMKHTYbAskQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=589) and several artifacts, including masks. --LauraCC (talk) 20:25, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Returning to the books, I've done some extensive squinting and the only one that I'm somewhat confident about is Amok time being second on the left, and maybe the first one being Deadly Years. Then again, I don't have photoshop anymore these days to play with contrast and stuff. Has anyone made more progress? I guess baring certainty, they'll all have to be made real world articles. -- Capricorn (talk) 19:38, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
Since after a week there's been no concrete suggestions about which books were seen, I've turned all of them into realworld articles in the name of erring on the side of caution. -- Capricorn (talk) 16:46, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Removed[]

I've removed a claim that the Federation having little contact with the Klingons after the events of ENT: "Divergence" "does appear to contradict what had previously been established about this period on Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The Next Generation (see Human-Klingon history)." I dispute this assertion and deem it a nitpick even if true (while highly, highly doubting it is accurate). --Defiant (talk) 18:18, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Doubt no more, the assertion is rooted in fairly solid evidence. It pertains to the "almost seventy years of unremitting hostility with the Klingons" line in TUC and a IAMD timeline subsequently stating "2223: Relations with the Klingon Empire degenerate, giving rise to some 70 years of unremitting hostility between the Klingons and the Federation".
With that out of the way, your rationale is the nitpick policy, but this simply isn't the kind of situation that would be described as a nitpick. It's noting what the author believed to be a continuity error. And they had a point: the two jarringly different characterizations of the 2223-2254 period (unremitting hostilities vs. Klingon encounters so rare that they're not believed) will come of as a continuity error to many, even if with sufficient mental gymnastics they're reconcilable. And this is exactly the kind of situations notes like this are useful in. (In fact, as an aside, Human-Klingon history is a failure of a page that no one should much link to, but I think the contradictory data has been harmonized pretty well by yours truly on the the more well-rounded alternative, Klingon history). -- Capricorn (talk) 19:51, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
Seventy years of hostility would not preclude the possibility of limited contact with the Federation by the Klingons, and/or that one of the rare instances of contact led to the hostility. 31dot (talk) 23:12, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
You did leave out a key word :"unremitting hostility", which makes it quite a bit harder to square. But that's missing the point anyway I think. Yes, both descriptions of the era are canon and thus Must be reconciled however possible, and yes, ultimately it's possible, even if it takes some effort. But the note is useful because the two sets of statements don't gel well on the face of it. -- Capricorn (talk) 14:37, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the following 2 irrelevant notes, which are much more relevant to DIS as a whole, rather than this episode in particular: "Discovery is the only series of Star Trek whose main character is not a Captain or Commanding Officer of a starship or space station," and, "The Klingons appearing in the episode, and the rest of the series, have cranial ridges, unlike the Klingons appearing in Star Trek: The Original Series, explained in ENT: "Affliction" as being the result of the Klingon augment virus. Star Trek Into Darkness also shows a klingon with cranial ridges, suggesting that not all Klingons were afflicted by the 2250s of both the prime and alternate reality." --Defiant (talk) 10:44, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

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