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| − | + | It's pretty insignificant, but I was wondering: did we ever see the ''Sao Paolo'''s original registry, or the exterior of the ship with the name "''Sao Paolo''"? If so, does anyone know whether it was written with the tilde over the "a" (''São Paolo'') or not? Should the article text say ''São Paolo'' or "Sao Paolo"? --[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] 23:15, 30 Mar 2005 (EST) |
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| + | : I recall that there was a dedication plaque and knowing the americans it is more likely that it was "Sao", but I think we could very well use the correct spelling, as it is done with the [[USS Cortéz]] -- [[User:Kobi|Kobi]] - [[{{ns:3}}:Kobi|(''{{ns:1}}'')]] 02:36, 31 Mar 2005 (EST) |
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| − | [[User:59.167.40.181]] recently changed all the references within this article (as well as [[USS São Paulo|USS ''São Paulo'']]) from '''NCC-75633''' to '''NCC-74205-A''' and provided this addendum to chew on for why: |
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| + | "The São Paulo's motto was "Give me Liberty or give me Death...", a quote by Patrick Henry. The ship was "named for the people of Brazil." " |
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| − | : ''The New CGI Scenes made for "What You Leave Behind" clearly show a "-A" suffix attached to the registry, as opposed to the Sao Paulo's original NCC-75633 Registry. The CGI modellers who "refit" the original starship added the -A in the belief that the Defiant did indeed qualify as a legendary starship. Unadulterated views of the CGI model with -A are available in the DS9 Season 7 Box Set's special feature "The Making of What You Leave Behind"'' |
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| + | I don't know if this is canon, but as it is 'named for the people fo Brazil', the motto would be 'Independence or Death' as the independence motto of Brazil. Just FYI, anyway. =] |
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| − | My two points of question here are: |
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| + | If you are in reference to the USS Sao Paulo-that-became-the-Defiant, we never saw it's original NCC because the model used for shooting was the same model that was the USS Defiant NX 74205. --[[User:Clarkhennessy|Clarkhennessy]] 20:49, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | # Is this legit? |
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| + | :Actually, we did see it's original registry number, on the [[Dedication plaque]]. - [[User:AJHalliwell|AJHalliwell]] 20:53, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | # If so, the page should be '''moved''' to [[USS Defiant (NCC-74205-A)|USS ''Defiant'' (NCC-74205-A)]], right?. |
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| + | Oops, sorry, i took a closer look at my DS9 DVDs and you are right! --[[User:Clarkhennessy|Clarkhennessy]] 09:42, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | *I seem to remember this is something Ira Behr suggested (adding an A), but couldn't because they wanted to reuse scenes for the last episode, and hence couldn't change the model. They most certainly didn't add an A. The exterior showed the old Defiant's number, but I think (don't remember off the top of my head) there's a source for the current number. - [[User:AJHalliwell|AJHalliwell]] 02:17, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| + | An IP user added info that this registry was used in the series finale of DS9. I've always heard that this wasn't the case, so i was wondering if there was any substantiation anyone has for this fact (like a screencap) . |
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| + | Also, there's no explanation for the {{tl|pna-incomplete}} notice, which seems erroneous to have here -- after all there isnt much more information about this vessel. -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain Mike K. Bartel]]<sup>[[User talk:Captainmike|talk]]</sup> |
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| − | * The final scenes clearly showed NCC-74205-A in the scene where the Breen warship was coming up the ass of the Defiant just as the Cardassians switch scenes. And in the scene where the defiant barrel-rolls past the galaxy with the camera tracking it's bridge, you can read NCC-74205-A - [[User:59.167.40.181|59.167.40.181]] 05:55, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | : These changes were also made to [[USS Defiant (NCC-75633)]], and was noted on [[Talk:USS Defiant (NCC-75633)#-A?|the talk page]]. I, too, would like some sunstantiation. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|<span style="color:#CC0000;">THOR</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:pd_THOR|<span style="color:#FF9933;">''=/\=''</span>]]</sup> 02:09, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | + | Well, I watched "What you leave behind" again closely (as I've mentioned on the other talk page) and I have found NO occurrance of NX-74205-A or NCC-74205-A. Every shot clearly reads "NX-74205" on the hull. It seems there IS no substantiation, the claim is simply inaccurate. I cannot speak for the Making Of, but the episode itself clearly does not show any 74205-A registry. --[[User:Defstar|Defstar]] 03:29, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| + | I haven't seen the DVD behind the sceens either, but I've never seen NCC-74205-A anywhere on screen before. It may have been the intent of the producers to have an A suffix, but it never made it on screen. --[[User:Sloan47|Sloan47]] 22:17, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | * That would suggest that the faux Sao Paolo/Defiant had it's registry changed to NX-74205 rather then the Sao Paolo's original registry, which easily means the claim is justified in terms of the registry not being changed from the original ship's for the final scenes. |
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| + | :''Although the [[dedication plaque]] on the [[bridge]] gave the [[registry]] as NCC-75633, external CGI images seen in "[[What You Leave Behind]]" repeated the old ''Defiant'' registry with the "A" suffix. The CGI modellers did this to the new footage in the "What you Leave Behind" following the assumption that the ''Defiant'' qualified as a legendary starship. In the Making of "What you Leave Behind" on the [[DS9 Season 7 DVD|Season 7 DVD Box Set]], a close up of the vessel in Lightwave is shown with the registry NCC-74205-A. Also as a result of using stock footage from [[Sacrifice of Angels|earlier]] [[Tears of the Prophets|episodes]], the Defiant loses and gains the "A" suffix at random intervals. |
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| + | I'd say we shouldn't add this in again until someone confirms the DVD has this feature, since the veracity is questioned above. -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain M.K. Bartel]]<sup>[[User talk:Captainmike|talk]]</sup> 14:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC) |
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| + | As far as i remember in that Episode. Starfleet Operations gave Sisko Special Dispensation to Change the name AND Registry number of the Sao paolo to the original of the Defiant. So the name, the registry number, and the dedication plaque should have been changed to reflect the Special dispensation granted. |
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| − | * I just watched those scenes too. There is NO -A on the Defiant in any of the scenes, be it the ones they reused from earlier episodes or the new ones that were created for "What you leave behind". There is also no Scene that shows the registry number being NCC - 75633 I stand by that the Registry number was changed back to the original and this page should also reflect that the Defiant is NX-74205 and was never anything else. When the Sao paolos name was changed so was its registry number. |
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| + | I am wondering why there are two pages for this one ship. [[USS Defiant (NCC-75633)]] has its own page. I know that the name was changed, but why is that a reason to have two pages? It would seem beneficial to have all of the relevant information about this ship and its history on a single page and then use a redirect for the other name. [[User:Jdvelasc|Jdvelasc]] 18:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 18:44, 29 January 2007
It's pretty insignificant, but I was wondering: did we ever see the Sao Paolo's original registry, or the exterior of the ship with the name "Sao Paolo"? If so, does anyone know whether it was written with the tilde over the "a" (São Paolo) or not? Should the article text say São Paolo or "Sao Paolo"? --Josiah Rowe 23:15, 30 Mar 2005 (EST)
- I recall that there was a dedication plaque and knowing the americans it is more likely that it was "Sao", but I think we could very well use the correct spelling, as it is done with the USS Cortéz -- Kobi - (Talk) 02:36, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
"The São Paulo's motto was "Give me Liberty or give me Death...", a quote by Patrick Henry. The ship was "named for the people of Brazil." "
I don't know if this is canon, but as it is 'named for the people fo Brazil', the motto would be 'Independence or Death' as the independence motto of Brazil. Just FYI, anyway. =]
USS Sao Paulo
If you are in reference to the USS Sao Paulo-that-became-the-Defiant, we never saw it's original NCC because the model used for shooting was the same model that was the USS Defiant NX 74205. --Clarkhennessy 20:49, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, we did see it's original registry number, on the Dedication plaque. - AJHalliwell 20:53, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, i took a closer look at my DS9 DVDs and you are right! --Clarkhennessy 09:42, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
NCC-74205-A?
An IP user added info that this registry was used in the series finale of DS9. I've always heard that this wasn't the case, so i was wondering if there was any substantiation anyone has for this fact (like a screencap) .
Also, there's no explanation for the {{pna-incomplete}} notice, which seems erroneous to have here -- after all there isnt much more information about this vessel. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk
- These changes were also made to USS Defiant (NCC-75633), and was noted on the talk page. I, too, would like some sunstantiation. — THOR =/\= 02:09, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Well, I watched "What you leave behind" again closely (as I've mentioned on the other talk page) and I have found NO occurrance of NX-74205-A or NCC-74205-A. Every shot clearly reads "NX-74205" on the hull. It seems there IS no substantiation, the claim is simply inaccurate. I cannot speak for the Making Of, but the episode itself clearly does not show any 74205-A registry. --Defstar 03:29, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I haven't seen the DVD behind the sceens either, but I've never seen NCC-74205-A anywhere on screen before. It may have been the intent of the producers to have an A suffix, but it never made it on screen. --Sloan47 22:17, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)
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- Although the dedication plaque on the bridge gave the registry as NCC-75633, external CGI images seen in "What You Leave Behind" repeated the old Defiant registry with the "A" suffix. The CGI modellers did this to the new footage in the "What you Leave Behind" following the assumption that the Defiant qualified as a legendary starship. In the Making of "What you Leave Behind" on the Season 7 DVD Box Set, a close up of the vessel in Lightwave is shown with the registry NCC-74205-A. Also as a result of using stock footage from earlier episodes, the Defiant loses and gains the "A" suffix at random intervals.
I'd say we shouldn't add this in again until someone confirms the DVD has this feature, since the veracity is questioned above. -- Captain M.K. Barteltalk 14:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
As far as i remember in that Episode. Starfleet Operations gave Sisko Special Dispensation to Change the name AND Registry number of the Sao paolo to the original of the Defiant. So the name, the registry number, and the dedication plaque should have been changed to reflect the Special dispensation granted.
Two Pages?
I am wondering why there are two pages for this one ship. USS Defiant (NCC-75633) has its own page. I know that the name was changed, but why is that a reason to have two pages? It would seem beneficial to have all of the relevant information about this ship and its history on a single page and then use a redirect for the other name. Jdvelasc 18:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)