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Discovery
Is it safe to assume that somewhere between 2254 and 2257, the Enterprise could have undergone a refit changing its appearance to what we see in I AM ERROR. And in 2265, it underwent another refit ending up looking like we see it in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"? SimFã B. (talk) 13:13, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
- The producers have said that the update is visual, I dont believe they are going to provide an in universe explanation, essentially saying it always looked like that. Gene Roddenberry himself said the same thing about the Klingons on TOS versus those in the first film/TNG, that they always looked as they do on TNG(though DS9 and ENT provided an explanation) 31dot (talk) 13:59, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
- This is no different than Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis both playing Saavik; they did not explain the difference in appearance. 31dot (talk) 14:00, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with 31dot, this is more like recasting an actor then refitting the ship --Tuskin38 (talk) 15:07, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
- It's not our business to conclude that there must have been a refit and state as much, but I think it's still ok to note that for example some detail of the nacelle looked different in 2254 vs 2257, should that come up as relevant somewhere. Pretending that they look the same even when some design details (as opposed to production quality ramifications) are different seems like a disservice to our readers. And if we can handle the dramatic redesign of the Klingons, then we should be able to handle this too. -- Capricorn (talk) 23:17, February 21, 2018 (UTC)
- Just note that it's a visual re-imagining.--Tuskin38 (talk) 23:46, February 21, 2018 (UTC)
- They're the same ship, tell the readers otherwise would be lying to them--Tuskin38 (talk) 10:11, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with 31dot, this is more like recasting an actor then refitting the ship --Tuskin38 (talk) 15:07, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
- Any differences in appearance should be noted as Background information, unless an explanation was provided for the difference(such as the refit we see in TMP). Otherwise, it is just like different actors playing the same part(such as Leonard Nimoy and Zachary Quinto both playing Spock, in the same scene for that matter). 31dot (talk) 10:21, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
Until we see the Discovery style Enterprise in the TOS era, ten years after the series finale of Discovery Season One, the new version will not replace the original classic look. Too many other series have shown the Original Enterprise. At this point they're different styles in different eras.
As we will probably not be given an explanation onscreen for the change, its probably best to presume a refit post the Cage for the sake of visual canon but the page is sufficient and handling this tricky situation in the best way possible, until we know more no further changes should be necessary.
Ultimately reconciliations in canon, as have been done when discrepancies have arisen whenever a new series begins, will most likely not be possible until Discovery finishes production many years from now.
--Forrestpen (talk) 06:47, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
- We don't need to assume anything; just as there was no explanation for the difference in how Leonard Nimoy and Zachary Quinto appeared, there is not going to be an explanation for the difference in appearance of both the model, and any interior sets we might see. This needs to be looked at in the eyes of recasting an actor for a part. 31dot (talk) 14:15, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
31dot that is also an assumption. We don't know the future of Discovery.
Right now the intent could be to visually reboot the Enterprise, so that the Discovery version is what always existed pre-TMP. Understandable given the first portion of Season 2 will focus on the Enterprise.
However, this is season 1 of a series that maybe potentially seven seasons long. Just because they may not intend to explain this now, does not mean we won't see this topic visited in later seasons. Show-runners and writers change, ideas and intentions change with them.
Enterprise adjusted towards being more TOS in aesthetic in its final season due to the guidance of a new show runner.
The fact is this. The Enterprise in 2257 appears different to how it appeared three years earlier in 2254 and nine years later 2266.
Until the very final episode of Discovery, we won't know whether this Discovery Enterprise is a refit, a rebooted look, or as you said simply like another actor playing the same role. --Forrestpen (talk) 19:46, March 4, 2018 (UTC)
- I know what the producers have stated and it is much closer to what I state above. You are certainly entitled to your views, however. 31dot (talk) 20:26, March 4, 2018 (UTC)
Multiple Realities
Why does this article have the multiple timelines template? The Mirror and Alternate universe versions have their own articles, and I might be missing something, but can't think of any other event justifying it. -- Capricorn (talk) 20:01, February 24, 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps "Yesteryear" even though it's not mentioned. If so we should keep and add an "Alternate Enterprise" section. -- Compvox (talk) 02:47, February 25, 2018 (UTC)