I was unsure as to what categories to put here, so I put Federation starship(since it was purported to be one) and Fictional Characters(as there is no Fictional starships category). Any better ideas?--31dot 15:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Does this really deserve an article all of its own? Surely a mention in The Arsenal of Freedom is sufficient, given that it was only used once, and by one character. From the in-universe perspective, only a couple of people could have known of this reference, and they'd probably have forgotten about it not long after the incident.– Pesky 09:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- I would say yes, because a user could potentially look it up, but it's not a big deal to me.--31dot 21:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Was it ever said onscreen (or for that mater anywhere) that the ship was named USS Lollipop?--UESPA 13:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- I don't believe so. I think Riker said "The name of my ship is the Lollipop." Maybe a name change is in order?--31dot 14:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Here's the conversation according to the ep page:
- "Tell me about your ship, Riker. It's the Enterprise, isn't it?"
- "No, the name of my ship is the Lollipop."
- "I have no knowledge of that ship."
- "It's just been commissioned. It's a good ship."
- Seeing the USS was left off the Enterprise, couldn't we argue it's implied? It was intended to be a Starfleet ship. Besides, USS Lollipop sounds cooler than Lollipop (Starship). :-)– Cleanse 01:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- There's argument to support both names: given that Riker is a Starfleet officer, it stands to reason that the (supposed) Starfleet officer to whom he's talking would assume Riker's ship has a USS designation; but since Riker never specifically calls it the USS Lollipop, we shouldn't assume that is what he meant.
- Personally, I'd prefer this page didn't exist at all, but of the two names, I think just "Lollipop" is more appropriate.– Pesky 00:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
- While normally we should severely limit implications here, I think this is a unique circumstance, given that the ship is fictional. I agree with Cleanse that the USS should be implied, given that it was supposedly a Starfleet ship.
- On a seperate subject, this article could be put in the proposed Fictional technology/objects category.--31dot 00:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I only brought it up because I wasn't sure if it went along with Canon policy, but I do see your points. Also, Cleanse is right it does sound cooler this way. Long Live the UE
- Since when is 'sounding cooler' in any way a rightful reason to add unsourced supposition to the wiki? The prefix of USS is pure conjecture, plain and simple. Even if it was implied to be a Starfleet vessel, that doesnt necessarily follow that it has the prefix USS. Some ships use "SS", and some have their registries omitted such as Raging Queen, any captain yacht or shuttle. -- Captain MKB 17:11, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
- Yes Sulfur, I didn't read the error in the article in 2008, I read it now. Furthermore, I noticed the user discussion had apparently hinged on the fact that the article name 'sounded cooler', which doesnt seem to fit wiki policy. Additionally, I felt the need to note that Starfleet ships do not necessarily use the prefix, which was another talking point that I find incorrect.
- Is there a statute of limitations on suggesting changes to articles that are incorrect and are formed without fitting policy, Sulfur? Or is there another issue you have with me personally adding to discussions? -- Captain MKB 17:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
- I turned it into a note, since this can be cited.–Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 23:07, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
That works. :) --31dot 01:22, October 30, 2011 (UTC)