Merge suggestion, re: Starbase 28[]
I'm wondering if we should merge the starbase from "Choose Your Pain" with the Starbase 28 page, because it is technically referred to as that on screen, not only on non-English subtitles on Netflix but also the English-language subtitles from the DIS Season 1 Blu-ray. I'm also curious if the same subtitle appears on the DIS Season 1 DVD. Can anyone check, please? --Defiant (talk) 10:48, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
- I think it's important to recognise that subtitles are still a different thing from on-screen captions (like were used to identify locations in the Abrams movies for example). The latter are obviously canon since they're an integral part of the presentation, but subtitles are supplementary things that we've never put much stock in for example when it came to spellings. I'm inclined to believe they we shouldn't take them as canon here either. -- Capricorn (talk) 12:18, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
The configuration of the station from the shot in "Choose Your Pain" is at least very, very similar to the design of the graphic from "Ask Not", so similar I don't think I'd be able to tell them apart. Quote: "I think it's important to recognise that subtitles are still a different thing from on-screen captions," and yet these terms are used interchangeably on MA. I agree with you but it doesn't change the fact they're used interchangeably here. Having said this, the reference to the station in "Choose Your Pain" as "Starbase 28" is (both in the case of Netflix and the Blu-ray) via an on-screen caption, technically not subtitles (if you're using that term for dialogue only). --Defiant (talk) 13:14, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
Here's a comparison for the two views so people can decide for themselves. One seems to be an upside-down (as it were) version of the other, imho. I'm quite impartial to this matter, tbh, but interested in what people decide. --Defiant (talk) 13:22, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
- If you're listing visual references, Starbase 1 is also worth checking out, bc that seems to be the same model as the starbase from "Choose your pain". Personally, I don't think they look very similar. SB 28 seems to have a ring where the unnamed starbase has more of a saucer, and SB also has solar panel like things sticking out of its spine that I can't find on the unnamed starbase. They're both ice cream cones, but they seem to be different ice cream cones. -- Capricorn (talk) 13:58, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
Okay, fair enough. My personal interpretation was that the graphic was an electrical and/or internal graphic display whereas the "Choose Your Pain" is the external skin, but I accept there's no evidence for this. And yeah, you're right about the Starbase 1 being identical. Then again, all the non-planetary starbases in all of Trek look basically the same to me. So aside from the entirely subjective bias of visual likeness or lack thereof, the evidence we still have is that the outpost is referred to as "Starbase 28" in a caption, with no contradictory evidence against this. --Defiant (talk) 14:11, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
- This isn't the same design as the other Starbase 28, so they shouldn't be merged, but that doesn't doesn't mean it wasn't A Starbase 28. Since subtitles on DVDs and Blurays are a tier 2 source, as opposed to broadcast subtitles, so they can be used for naming things. The main problem we would have is disambiguating the other station, since we don't have a good timeframe for when that happened. - Archduk3 18:05, December 18, 2019 (UTC)
- It could be assigned a name that way, sure. But since that's only going to result in a more confusing situation, maybe let's not. -- Capricorn (talk) 20:58, December 19, 2019 (UTC)
- It should, in the least, be moved to Unnamed Starbase 1 type stations, along with the animated one from ST. Otherwise, there is no way to qualify it with creating some sort of overlap. [[Starbase 28 (2250s)]] is very approximate to [[Starbase 28 (2256)]]. --Alan (talk) 15:12, February 24, 2020 (UTC)