Background note[]
The article claims that both Spock and the Narada also crossed both time and universes, but technically that's not entirely true. The Narada only traveled to is own past, creating a new universe, while in the case of Spock, it was more like traveling to an altered version of his own past, similar to when Archer and crew went back to the WWII era. JeruTz (talk) 10:43, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Regarding the Narada, this is true, and quite frankly I'm not sure we even need the comment, if it's not an apples to apples explanation, and most especially since the Narada was even mentioned in the episode and itself clearly omitted by the same source as not falling within that claim. Spock is slightly more iffy, because the timeline was never restore, unlike the Archer example, and he remained the duration of his life in that other universe. –Gvsualan (talk) 12:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Spock is definitely a weird issue. The best pseudo scientific idea I can come up with is that Spock and the Narada somehow constitutes a single temporal incursion that just happened to simultaneously impact 2 time periods. After all, there has to be some explanation for why Spock ended up in the parallel universe and not the prime. As for the condition shown in the recent episode, maybe it only applies to forward timbre travel. JeruTz (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- You're both forgetting that the timeline was changed before the Narada actually arrived, due to the Kelvin changing course and going to the Klingon boarder to investigate a "lightning storm in space." Granted, that is how the Narada arrived, but the changes happened before the ship made it though, so technically it didn't arrive in the same timeline it came from. - Archduk3 14:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, but the Narada also caused the lightning storm, it's not like it was there before that... and the Kelvin veering off course to investigate something is really not much different than the E-D veering off course to investigate a time pod appearing from the past, which seemingly had no effect on the timeline. I sort of think that "alternate" Tasha Yar from "Yesterday's Enterprise" traveling back into the past, aboard the E-C, and returning to the "normal" timeline is probably a better all around example. –Gvsualan (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, alt Tasha is a thing too. Since the alternate reality is already a subject here though, I figured it might be best to just stick with that and word it vaguely enough to acknowledge we know that it seems like there might be an issue without actually saying if there is or not, since we really don't know either way. If you start to think on this too long there are a bunch of possible issues either way. We don't know if all timelines more or less have a shared past, if the separation between universes or the amount of time matter, or if this "time sickness" is just a version of what killed Daniels in "Storm Front". - Archduk3 15:22, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Alt Tasha merely returned to her own past to fix the present. She's didn't criss universes. The two universes share a past. JeruTz (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree there's a whole load of ifs and buts, so I'm not saying the statement about Spock and Nero should be removed, but I do feel like it should be phrased more like "could" rather than "would".MadeIndescribable (talk) 23:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- My main thought is that Yor jumped forward 700 years and across to a long-existing universe, whereas the Narada's incursion was the spawning of the Kelvinverse on January 3, 2233; prior to that date, the alternate timeline did not exist - it was the prime timeline. Also, the Narada's jump from 2387 to 2233 is only 154 years, whereas Yor jumped 700-someodd. And Spock arrived in 2258, a jump back of 121 years...but the Kelvinverse was only 22 years old at the time. So, it could be a mix of the enormity of Yor's time shift of 700 years from an (effectively) 146-year-old, likely-increasingly-divergent universe to a 14-billion-year-old universe. --WTRiker (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
24th Century?[]
Do we really know that Yor can be described as being from the 24th Century?
We know that's when travelled to the future, but he was a temporal soldier, so unless the Kelvin Temporal wars started a lot earlier than the Prime ones, like Daniels presumably he would originally have been from a much later time period. MadeIndescribable (talk) 23:43, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Interdimensional Displacement Restriction[]
I get locking this page, but I've created the page for the IDR (which is capitalised), but as the link here on this page doesn't work wondered if it was possible for someone with access to do a quick fix? MadeIndescribable (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2020 (UTC)