Talk: Zora

Page deletion

I'd very much like to delete this page and consolidate it with the USS Discovery page. Having it this way causes too much confusion, and as Discovery continues Zora has become not just a Short Treks character but the ship's computer who is constantly operating as the USS Discovery. The pages were created this way back when Short Treks was the only indication of her personality as Zora, and that's no longer the case. - Chitrarive (talk),02:13, 3 January 2022 (UTC), 14:05 December 26, 2021 (UTC)

There is nothing here that should be confusing at all. They are two distinct entities, so to say, and should be viewed as a sentient lifeform and its host. --Gvsualan (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I endorse keeping the two separate. Encyclopedic information about Zora, the sentient organism living inside of a supercomputer, still strikes me as separate from encyclopedic information about Discovery, the Crossfield-class ship launched in the 2250s. Discovery will appear in nearly episode, but that doesn't mean Zora/Annabelle Wallis will. - AJHalliwell (talk) 16:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

In that case, I've transferred the information about Zora on Discovery's page to this page.- Chitrarive (talk),02:13, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Name change

The last episode came to the conslusion that Zora was a 'new life', and much more than AI, so the clarifier of '(artificial intelligence' no longer applies. I'm not sure what a better one would be however? Ima Wiz Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 22:07, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree that a name change is necessary. In "...But to Connect", Zora explicitly says, "Perhaps 'artificial intelligence' fails to fully define me."

I suggest that perhaps Zora is the primary topic for "Zora", and so could be moved to that title, with the disambiguation page currently there moved to "Zora (disambiguation)". Certainly, with 8 appearances to date (and almost certainly more to come), it is more likely that visitors to MA will be looking for the computer intelligence, rather than the character who appeared once in "The Savage Curtain", or the historical figure she copied, or Zora Fel or Zora Neale Hurston or Zora DeHorter. I think that rather than trying to find another term to describe this Zora, we should just let her be the primary topic for "Zora". —Josiah Rowe (talk) 06:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

yeah, it's become it's own recurring character and deserves the old Phlox over Phlox treatment. –Gvsualan (talk) 06:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree. - Chitrarive (talk),02:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Concur.Memphis77 (talk) 02:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

What goes where

I'd very much like to talk about how we consolidate content. We should set a solid set of ground rules for what goes on Discovery's page and what goes on Zora's page, and talk about it rather than my edits (as the person who's primarily been editing both these pages, since far before Zora was being commonly talked about) just being reversed. -Chitrarive (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

The section was removed with an explanation: "-a section that is about the ship.". It is inappropriate to reverse an explained reason, given the fact that Zora and the ship are not one in the same and Zora didn't just immediately happen when the ship merged the Sphere data. The last part of that section where the sentience emerges is where the distinction is to be made. –Gvsualan (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Could this be discussed, though, because I feel like the merge with the sphere data is important regarding Zora's history and users who may be watching Discovery and are confused about Zora should be able to use this as a source. (Before I knew the edits were reversed, I planned to go back and rename the history sections 'Developing intelligence' and 'Sentient lifeform' which gets my point across a bit better. All of what I transferred was to do with the ship's intelligence that eventually became Zora.) Zora and the Discovery are very linked as the Discovery is her body, and if you remember I suggested totally combining the pages, but we discussed it and decided not to. I agree with that decision now and I think we should move forward by putting everything involving the ship's personality and intelligence on Zora's page, even if she wasn't fully emergent or using the name Zora at the time. - Chitrarive (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)