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Fine motor skillsEdit

Actually, this is the term, meaning the ability to make small precise movements, as opposed to gross motor skills, which are bigger movements. [1]. He wasn't saying they were fine as opposed to lousy. :) The term "motor skills" appears elsewhere separately, but here it refers specifically to this sub-type of motor skills. --LauraCC (talk) 16:28, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. The only reason I changed the link was because I realized there's much more on-screen references to "motor skills" than to "fine motor skills". I guess it was the wrong choice; sorry. :( --Defiant (talk) 18:19, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

It's all right. Easily changed back. Possibly the two do belong on the same page, with the latter as a redirect. --LauraCC (talk) 18:20, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re - "Emissary" reference Edit

Thank you. I wondered why it showed up on another episode entirely. --LauraCC (talk) 16:41, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Lol. You're welcome --Defiant (talk) 18:02, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

So can we add that to Rom's jobs in his character sidebar? Or was this role only suggested but never seen per se? --LauraCC (talk) 16:58, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

No idea; sorry. --Defiant (talk) 17:01, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

"Earth" link Edit

To distinguish between Earth's 18th century and another planet's. He said "your" as opposed to 18th century Vulcan or any other planet, for that matter. --LauraCC (talk) 18:18, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Better to cite who he's actually talking to, I think, especially as no inference to a planet was made (you're just assuming it). Heck, for all we know, there may have been Human colonies from the future residing elsewhere in space that also included swashbucklers. --Defiant (talk) 18:26, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Ouch. Nice parry. ;) --LauraCC (talk) 18:28, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Lol. Thanks. --Defiant (talk) 18:35, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
...and to answer your question, no: there are not (yet) any images of Kevin Riley singing "...Kathleen". --Defiant (talk) 18:43, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Cerium? Edit

Not sure if you'd seen it yet, but regarding this deletion discussion, your Devil in the Dark script might be helpful in confirming the right spelling. -- Capricorn (talk) 19:38, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Alt E-A Edit

Going to need an answer to this. - Archduk3 16:29, September 30, 2016 (UTC)

Denobulan articleEdit

I'm not sure of the meaning of your reversion summary - the meaning of the sentence wasn't changed at all - but I'm simply changing a stylistically poor passive construction to something that isn't half-gibberish to readers, some of whom may not have English as a first language. If you need more detail on what "passive" means in this context, I'm happy to explain further. NokiaTouchscreen (talk) 02:40, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

I disagree it's "a stylistically poor passive construction" and "half-gibberish to readers." That's your subjective opinion and it seems like you're trying to force it on the community. I've reverted the edit to retain its relevancy to the Denobulans, as I already said in the edit summary (which it's actually called, not "reversion summary"). --Defiant (talk) 08:22, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

"Where No Man" question Edit

Is the term "reader screen (links)" from the script? --LauraCC (talk) 17:41, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Not sure, and I don't really have time to research that. The script's online here, though: [2] --Defiant (talk) 17:46, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Which draft is it? --LauraCC (talk) 17:52, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

?? Can't you access the link? It says it's a revised final draft. --Defiant (talk) 17:53, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. I don't know where my mind is. --LauraCC (talk) 17:55, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Lol. It's okay. --Defiant (talk) 17:57, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Just thought you'd like to know - from what I could tell, only the term "library-computer screen" is used. --LauraCC (talk) 18:06, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Candelabra Edit

Sorry, should have clarified that it's seen
Enterprise chapel
here (top right). Does the script name it as such? --LauraCC (talk) 20:41, October 13, 2016 (UTC)
It doesn't refer to it at all. The first line of dialogue (Scott's) isn't in the script either, and the first mention of Rand is to say she is opening a book for Kirk on the podium. The book's shown on-screen, but I don't think her opening it is shown. --Defiant (talk) 20:45, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

I guess naming it what I did is a common sense call, then. --LauraCC (talk) 20:47, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. Btw, I'm sorry, but the info I gave you is slightly incorrect; the mention of the book-opening is the second reference to Rand in the script. In the first instance, the script states, "The bride, ANGELA MARTINE, has stepped into the doorway, followed by her Bridesmaid. She gets a kiss on the cheek from Yeoman JANICE RAND... an air of radiant happiness in the room, contrasting with Kirk's puzzled concern." But yeah, you're right, re: candelabra. --Defiant (talk) 20:51, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and caught another reference for you- master. Kirk says, "Since the days of the first wooden vessels, all shipmasters have had one happy privilege. That of uniting two people in the bonds of matrimony." --LauraCC (talk) 20:53, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. :) --Defiant (talk) 21:09, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Made the article. Though a zoomed in pic of her lighting it might be better? --LauraCC (talk) 21:17, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

There's a good shot of her doing so when Kirk first stands on the platform. And the same shot also shows the book. --Defiant (talk) 21:22, October 13, 2016 (UTC)


Mark Lenard in "Journey to Babel" Edit

Undo of my edit, that Mark Lenard played a Romulan commander before the role of Sarek

Undo comment: "-a badly fm note the type of which we don't list on episode pages, as it's much more suitable for the page about the actor"

Hey come on...this is very interesting info! And the right place is in the "Cast" section of this episode's article. There is much more trivial stuff in other "Cast" sections for other episodes and a lot of other info which is far less important – e.g., I do not really care if a costume is re-used from another episode, but if a main actor played another (major) role in a previous season episode, it is important!)

When I, as a fan, read the background info for this episode, I would be thankful if someone gave a hint that Sarek played the Romulan Commander in "Balance of Terror". If I want more info, I go to the page about the actor.

That's why I made this edit. (77.119.128.60 21:37, October 14, 2016 (UTC))

Sorry, but I would ordinarily agree with you, if this hadn't already been decided on by community consensus a long time ago. So, you're really addressing the wrong person about this issue. If you really feel strongly about this, you should probably address the community in general about it, in the forum. --Defiant (talk) 22:35, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

Zora and beach location Edit

The old fan favorite discussion topic if Zora was a Tiburonian has been brought up on a talk page again. However, nowadays the script is available for inspection. So I was wondering, is Zora identified as a Tiburionian in the script (of The Savage Curtain), or otherwise made clear to be one? -- Capricorn (talk) 17:49, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

Undaunted by the fact that you haven't answered that question, I have another :p. Does the script of "Inside Man" specify where Troi was vacationing? -- Capricorn (talk) 19:12, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Was just looking that up. The script does seem to give her vacation location, as a "beach"... somewhere. Precisely where isn't (or at least doesn't seem to be) specified, though. --Defiant (talk) 19:17, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Too bad. William T. Riker puzzlingly places it at Pebble Beach, I was hoping there was a basis for that. A big thanks anyway for checking. I don't suppose you know anything about Zora yet? -- Capricorn (talk) 20:07, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

It is Pebble Beach. I thought you'd know that, as it's actually said in the episode! --Defiant (talk) 22:57, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Euh, Pebble beach is mentioned in the episode, but in a completely different context – the Doctor wants to take Reg golfing there on the holodeck. Am I wrong? -- Capricorn (talk) 23:13, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Ah. Yeah, you're right. Well spotted. Sorry for getting it wrong. It's been ages since I watched that episode! --Defiant (talk) 00:07, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Too bad, I was really hoping that it was me that brainfarted and not you - then we'd have the location, which given the controvercy over if it was Risa would have been really nice. -- Capricorn (talk) 00:16, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Afraid not, but I can confirm that, in the final draft script of "The Savage Curtain", Zora is identified as a "Tiburon". --Defiant (talk) 00:21, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Holy crap, that's huge. A big big thanks for that.

Hey, by the way, I did see your forum post a while back where you offered to share your (utterly amazing) script collection with other users, but I figured I wasn't involved in this stuff often enough to justify access. But still, I have been asking you for script details every once in a while, and I'm wondering: would you rather prefer that I keep asking you whenever something comes up, or would you rather not be bothered and allow me access to those scripts? Back then I figured you would be very selective in not just giving anyone the scripts, so I didn't apply. (I mean, obviously I'm drooling over those scripts, but I take your project very seriously so I wouldn't want access just for my personal enjoyment). But really I ought to have asked you whatever you prefer. Maybe you think it's a pain that I keep asking you these questions. -- Capricorn (talk) 00:53, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

No, I enjoy answering questions. But I won't allow anyone else to access the script archive; have changed my mind about that. It's totally nothing personal, however. --Defiant (talk) 01:00, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

I completely understand. Incidently, here's another question :p -- Capricorn (talk) 01:08, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Identification Edit

Hi Defiant. Since you seems know Star Trek very well I have request to you.

Sometime TV series have common performers. I'm trying identify some Unknown Stargate Actors.

Do you know some of these?

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/0/08/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Icon_I%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_8.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/f/f4/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Icon_II%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_8.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/8/81/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Icon_III%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_8.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/b/b3/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Icon_IV%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_8.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/4/46/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Icon_V%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_8.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/2/28/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Ethon_I%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_9.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/3/3a/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Ethon_II%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_9.jpg

Link:http://en.stargatewiki.noip.me/images/d/d7/Rand_Protectorate_guard_%28Ethon_III%29_in_Stargate_SG-1_Season_9.jpg

I will be glad if you will recognize any of them. Thanks in advance! --Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 08:56, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

No idea. I'm not very good at that sort of thing. --Defiant (talk) 09:56, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for answer. --Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 11:35, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Fibonan High council Edit

Why did you revert my wording for the Abronath link? I've seen this done before on other pages (describing something without calling it by name). When Kirk offered it up to the Teenaxi, it was only stated to be an ancient weapon; presumably Kirk didn't know the name or he would have used it). So calling it that on a page whose entry is only about that time makes sense. --LauraCC (talk) 18:36, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

I've wondered if you did that to revert another change on the page and it got caught up in the mix by accident... --LauraCC (talk) 20:04, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

No, it's just a personal choice I made; it's personal writing choice whether to call it "artifact" or "Abronath". --Defiant (talk) 20:09, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay. --LauraCC (talk) 20:10, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

"This is not an image gallery"Edit

Hey Defiant, I've been contributing here for almost ten years, I do realize that articles are not image galleries, thanks. Why didn't you just simply remove the photo and say there were too many images? I would have understood. --Delta2373 (talk) 10:17, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Ummm... I did. Goodbye --Defiant (talk) 10:26, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you sure did... It was the way you worded the removal that bothered me. Goodbye. --Delta2373 (talk) 10:54, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Maybe you shouldn't be so easily bothered, then. As it says in this website's policies and guidelines, assume good faith. :) --Defiant (talk) 11:25, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Canamar question Edit

This line by Kuroda Lor-ehn - "A supervisor accused me of stealing a brace of latinum". Did Chakoteya transcribe that faithfully? If so, wanted to make a page for "brace" as a unit of measurement. Also, see my earlier question re Beyond (#12 on the list now). --LauraCC (talk) 18:02, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

That transcript's accurate. --Defiant (talk) 18:43, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. --LauraCC (talk) 18:44, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

2265? Edit

IS there a source that firmly establishes when the El-Aurian HW was assimilated?--Marhawkman (talk) 18:16, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Try asking this question @ Trek BBS. You'd be more likely to have your question noticed by many people that way. --LauraCC (talk) 15:28, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I've been busy trying to get well from a long-lasting cold. There doesn't seem to be any source for the 2265 date. --Defiant (talk) 16:06, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Since you're working on Beyond characters...Edit

I don't suppose you located Tyvanna among the artwork? --LauraCC (talk) 20:58, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. There are a few unnamed aliens, though, such as this one: [3] --Defiant (talk) 21:24, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Wow, did a bit of searching (which I thought would be fruitless, so asked you first), and this is the actress in costume. :) [4] Didn't think it would be that easy. --LauraCC (talk) 21:33, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Cool! --Defiant (talk) 21:38, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Apparently an Enterprise crew member...[5] --LauraCC (talk) 21:56, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Amazing. Thanks. Just managed to obtain both that issue and the previous one. Her character's featured on the cover of the previous issue, which also gives details about some of the other specific aliens. --Defiant (talk) 22:37, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Glad I could be of assistance. :) I also found this image of Carlo Ancelotti's role in the film. [6] --LauraCC (talk) 15:30, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Cool! :) --Defiant (talk) 16:11, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

I didn't add the image to MA 'cause I don't know who owns what (for citing it). --LauraCC (talk) 16:16, December 30, 2016 (UTC) So is it 50 or 56 new races? SFX says 50 (one for each year of Trek) [7] while one of those magazine covers says 56. --LauraCC (talk) 21:06, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

I've kept hearing, from various sources, that it's over 50. Prosthetics is the first time I've noticed it given a precise over-50 number. --Defiant (talk) 21:11, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

If technically, Krall, Kalara, and Manas, as physiological amalgams of all the races whose life forces they take, are not new species but hybrids...--LauraCC (talk) 21:13, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

...which is how they've been referred to by the production team. --Defiant (talk) 21:16, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Then that's 3 fewer, which leaves 53. --LauraCC (talk) 21:18, December 30, 2016 (UTC) The green-faced webbed ear kid (played by Justin Lin's son, supposedly) is not an Orion, is he? --LauraCC (talk) 21:19, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Don't take my word for it (as I'm not completely sure), but I think that possibility's been outruled. I still think the official number is 56, as that figure comes from Joel Harlow. Btw, both articles from the Prosthetics magazine can be read at Trekcore. Thought you might like to know that if you didn't already. --Defiant (talk) 21:23, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

I didn't. Just looked. Kid isn't pictured. --LauraCC (talk) 21:50, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

No, but the number 56 is talked about in the interview. --Defiant (talk) 22:01, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
I initially thought there was only 1 pink-skinned female alien in a command division uniform. But there are actually 2, one of whom is Tyvanna, and the other is on the cover of issue 4 of Prosthetics. Sorry for the mix-up. --Defiant (talk) 22:52, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

S'alright. I didn't act on it. No worries. :) --LauraCC (talk) 14:34, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

Check this article out: [8]

In particular:

'Do all these different alien species have names and fictional histories?'


Yeah, they do. The naming system is something we came up in the shop to keep all the components segregated, for all these very different aliens. Some have quills, some have horns. They’re all so unique, I think each one of them is worthy of its own film. Typically when you do a film of this scale you’ve got your A-characters, B-characters, and C-characters. C is deep background. But we didn’t approach it like that. Every single one of these characters is an A-character, its own work of art.

--LauraCC (talk) 18:38, February 6, 2017 (UTC)

So then there will be species names available to MA for article naming - stay posted...:)--LauraCC (talk) 15:57, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Kirk's make upEdit

Evil Kirk using make-up

Does the script for "The Enemy Within" call evil Kirk's face make-up "foundation" or "concealer", or anything like that? --LauraCC (talk) 17:49, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

Jadzia airbrushing her Trill spots

And how does "Trials and Tribble-ations" describe Jadzia Dax's spot-hiding makeup, if at all? --LauraCC (talk) 17:50, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

Ever seen this site? It includes a lot of great scripts, including the "Trials and Tribble-ations" one: [9] --Defiant (talk) 21:06, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
As for Kirk's face make-up, the script calls it "medicated skin cream". --Defiant (talk) 21:41, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. And yes, I do know that site. I just asked about T and T here because it was the same topic (make-up stuff). --LauraCC (talk) 19:20, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

BTW, the link for Trials and Tribble-ations on Stminutiae actually links to the script of "The Assignment" instead. --LauraCC (talk) 17:31, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I know, but the link for that episode links to "Trials and Tribble-ations". So, use your powers of reasoning and you'll get there eventually. --Defiant (talk) 01:13, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

That's annoying...thanks. :) Phooey, I really wish they'd given that sprayer a proper name. Something like "cosmetic atomizer"... --LauraCC (talk) 16:28, January 10, 2017 (UTC) How does the script describe him putting on the "cream"? --LauraCC (talk) 19:47, January 19, 2017 (UTC)

Name of ship type Edit

See Talk:Tanker. --LauraCC (talk) 20:33, January 24, 2017 (UTC)


Rhylo spelling Edit

See Talk:Rhylo. Realize it's a few years old but now I wonder...--LauraCC (talk) 21:14, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

It's "Rhylo" in the script. --Defiant (talk) 21:45, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Ah. Great. Guessing the asker went by a caption? --LauraCC (talk) 18:47, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

Email Edit

I sent you an email. Can you please reply? --NetSpiker (talk) 00:19, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Request for feedback Edit

I'd be very grateful for your opinion on the current Featured Article nomination (Bajoran history). --36ophiuchi (talk) 14:07, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Melora first draft script Edit

According to the Melora Pazlar article, her surname was Opree in the first draft script. Was her first name still Melora or did she have a different first name?

According to the Melora (episode) article, Fallit Kot was originally called Megsy Del, but the Fallit Kot article uses the spelling Megzie Del. Which is the correct spelling? --NetSpiker (talk) 02:27, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

1. Yes (as the episode didn't have an alternative working title, at least not in the scripting script, anyway). 2. "Megzie". --Defiant (talk) 09:11, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. --NetSpiker (talk) 10:09, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

Kinda an off-topic question Edit

I saw you say on your user page that the first draft of 11001010 can be found online. Can I ask where? -- Capricorn (talk) 22:44, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Sure: http://www.roddenberry.com/tng30/ --Defiant (talk) 23:01, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know about that page. Thanks. -- Capricorn (talk) 05:07, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

No problem; you're welcome. :) --Defiant (talk) 16:02, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

Do these names come from the script? Edit

I'm not sure where these names originally came from. They definitely weren't mentioned in dialogue or in the credits. Can you check the scripts for me when you have some spare time?

Kray – check Ex Post Facto script

Pet'r Durst – check Cathexis script

Mariah Henley – check Learning Curve script

Nogami – check The 37’s script

Strickler (Admiral) – check Non Sequitur script

Corin – check Innocence script

The Spectre – check The Thaw script

Eliann – check Favorite Son script

Lyris – check Favorite Son script

Rinna – check Favorite Son script

Mary Kim – check Favorite Son script and Author, Author script

Lumas - check Day of Honor script

Moklor – check Day of Honor script

Dejaren – check Revulsion script

Alzen – check Scientific Method script

Takar – check Scientific Method script

Nevala – check Message in a Bottle script

Idrin – check Message in a Bottle script and Hunters script

Daelen – check Vis a Vis script

Ven – check Infinite Regress script

Renlay Sharr – check Latent Image script

Y’Sek – check Think Tank script

Saowin – check Think Tank script

Dremk – check Juggernaut script

Abbot – check Someone to Watch Over Me script

Gerald Moss – check 11:59 script

Phlox (Hierarchy) – check Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy script

Peter Harkins – check Pathfinder script and Inside Man script

Abarca – check Virtuoso script

Zar – check Live Fast and Prosper script

Lanya – check Muse script

Jero – check Muse script

Tanis – check Muse script

Olandra Jor – check Repression script

Jye (species) – check Critical Care script

Yeggie – check Inside Man script

Weiss – check Flesh and Blood script

Loquar – check The Void script

Katanay – check Author, Author script

John Kim – check Author, Author script

Brin – check Friendship One script

Hendricks – check Friendship One script

Miral Paris – check Endgame script

Elizabeth Cutler – check Strange New World script

Thon – check The Andorian Incident script

Mary Reed – check Silent Enemy script

Stuart Reed – check Silent Enemy script

Traeg – check Shadows of P’Jem script

Shiraht – check Rogue Planet script

Maya – check Oasis script

Ezral – check Oasis script

J. Kelly – check Vox Sola script

Raan – check Shockwave, Part II script

Firek Goff – check Precious Cargo script

Firek Plinn – check Precious Cargo script

Renth – check The Catwalk script --NetSpiker (talk) 10:55, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

I've checked the Voyager instances. Here are the results:

Kray – check Ex Post Facto script (yes)

Peter Durst – check Cathexis script (no, but might be in Faces script)

Mariah Henley – check Learning Curve script (yes)

Nogami – check The 37’s script (yes)

Strickler (Admiral) – check Non Sequitur script (yes)

Corin – check Innocence script (yes)

The Spectre – check The Thaw script (yes)

Eliann – check Favorite Son script (yes)

Lyris – check Favorite Son script (yes)

Rinna – check Favorite Son script (yes)

Mary Kim – check Favorite Son script and Author, Author script (the latter only)

Lumas - check Day of Honor script (yes)

Moklor – check Day of Honor script (yes)

Dejaren – check Revulsion script (yes)

Alzen – check Scientific Method script (yes)

Takar – check Scientific Method script (yes)

Nevala – check Message in a Bottle script (not available)

Idrin – check Message in a Bottle script and Hunters script (former isn't available; name isn't mentioned in latter)

Daelen – check Vis a Vis script (not available)

Ven – check Infinite Regress script (not available)

Renlay Sharr – check Latent Image script (not available)

Y’Sek – check Think Tank script (yes, mentioned in scripted dialogue)

Saowin – check Think Tank script (yes)

Dremk – check Juggernaut script (not available)

Abbot – check Someone to Watch Over Me script (never clarifies that this is his name, but he is referred to as "The Abbot", used as a title)

Gerald Moss – check 11:59 script (yes, mentioned in scripted dialogue and apparently name appears written on-screen, according to the script)

Phlox (Hierarchy) – check Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy script (yes)

Peter Harkins – check Pathfinder script and Inside Man script (yes, in former script, whereas latter script just calls him "Pete" Harkins)

Abarca – check Virtuoso script (yes)

Zar – check Live Fast and Prosper script (yes)

Lanya – check Muse script (no; calls her "Layna")

Jero – check Muse script (yes)

Tanis – check Muse script (yes)

Olandra Jor – check Repression script (yes)

Jye (species) – check Critical Care script (yes)

Yeggie – check Inside Man script (yes)

Weiss – check Flesh and Blood script (yes)

Loquar – check The Void script (yes)

Katanay – check Author, Author script (yes)

John Kim – check Author, Author script (yes)

Brin – check Friendship One script (yes)

Hendricks – check Friendship One script (yes)

Miral Paris – check Endgame script (yes)

I'll try to do the ENT ones soon too. --Defiant (talk) 12:44, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I wasn't expecting such a prompt reply. Very much appreciated. --NetSpiker (talk) 13:00, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

No problem, as they're quite easy to check. Here are the ENT results:

Elizabeth Cutler – check Strange New World script (yes)

Thon – check The Andorian Incident script (yes)

Mary Reed – check Silent Enemy script (her first name is given in the script... but her surname technically isn't established)

Stuart Reed – check Silent Enemy script (his first name is given in the script... but his surname technically isn't established)

Traeg – check Shadows of P’Jem script (yes)

Shiraht – check Rogue Planet script (yes)

Maya – check Oasis script (yes)

Ezral – check Oasis script (yes)

J. Kelly – check Vox Sola script (surname is given in the script, but not first initial "J.", which might be on her uniform)

Raan – check Shockwave, Part II script (yes)

Firek Goff – check Precious Cargo script (yes)

Firek Plinn – check Precious Cargo script (yes)

Renth – check The Catwalk script (yes)

I hope that helps. --Defiant (talk) 13:12, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Can you please check these names too?

Kessick - check The Xindi script
Indava - check Chosen Realm script
Jareb - check Chosen Realm script
Erika Hernandez - check Home, Affliction and Divergence scripts - the article doesn't specify which script her first name is from
Arik Soong - check Borderland, Cold Station 12 and The Augments scripts
Magh - check The Augments script
Valdore - check Babel One and United scripts
Marab - check Affliction and Divergence scripts
Maras - check Bound script
Gannet Brooks - check Demons and Terra Prime scripts
Thoris - check Terra Prime script --NetSpiker (talk) 07:03, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
Hi, NetSpiker. Here are the results:
Kessick - check The Xindi script (yes)
Indava - check Chosen Realm script (yes)
Jareb - check Chosen Realm script (yes)
Erika Hernandez - check Home, Affliction and Divergence scripts - the article doesn't specify which script her first name is from (it's used in the Home and Affliction scripts but not in the Divergence script)
Arik Soong - check Borderland, Cold Station 12 and The Augments scripts (first name used in Borderland and Cold Station 12 scripts but not the script for The Augments)
Magh - check The Augments script (yes)
Valdore - check Babel One and United scripts (yes; in both)
Marab - check Affliction and Divergence scripts (yes; in both)
Maras - check Bound script (yes)
Gannet Brooks - check Demons and Terra Prime scripts (just in Demons script, not Terra Prime script)
Thoris - check Terra Prime script (yes)
It's been good to confirm all these names are accounted for, so thanks for putting me up to the task. :) --Defiant (talk) 07:39, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

Quadrotriticale sample Edit

Quadrotriticale pouch

Does the script for "The Trouble with Tribbles" give a name to this gold pouch thing? "Pouch", "packet", "sample bag", etc...? --LauraCC (talk) 21:14, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Better yet: "He pulls a sample of the grain out of a container." I think pouch is what it really it. --Alan del Beccio (talk) 21:44, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

What about later when he gives it to Chekov? Does it use a different word? --LauraCC (talk) 21:46, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Script spelling questionEdit

I probably should have asked you before creating the article, but from the Voyager episode "Nemesis" I've created the article Foot-fall - and I suppose there's a few ways that that could be spelled, wondering if you could check what the correct one is. The term is used several times. -- Capricorn (talk) 19:29, April 16, 2017 (UTC) Also, neck-strapping (which isn't literally used in the ep, only "neck-strapped") -- Capricorn (talk) 21:00, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

In the script, the terms are formatted "footfalls" and "neck-strapped". --Defiant (talk) 14:39, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Capricorn (talk) 15:10, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Inflatable starship decoyEdit

What is this called in the script for TAS: "The Practical Joker", aside from the two mentions of "balloon" in the dialog? Noticed you have that script. --LauraCC (talk) 19:47, May 17, 2017 (UTC)

Well, the word "decoy" doesn't appear in the script which I have at all. Instead, that script (the 1st draft) seems to mostly refer to it as a "balloon", in line with the on-screen dialogue. --Defiant (talk) 22:25, May 17, 2017 (UTC)

How is the balloon introduced, in context? --LauraCC (talk) 15:38, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Talk:MavigEdit

Do you have any insight on this? --LauraCC (talk) 16:11, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Although Mavig doesn't seem to be mentioned in this script, she was in the 2nd revised final draft script of "The Way to Eden" (which was also released by Roddenberry.com for the 50th, last year). --Defiant (talk) 16:26, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

No name for the other girl? --LauraCC (talk) 16:28, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, what? --Defiant (talk) 16:29, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

The blonde never gets a name assigned to her? --LauraCC (talk) 16:30, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

She doesn't seem to, no. The script's character list includes "ONE GIRL (EXTRA)", which I think could be about her but I'm not entirely sure. Btw, can you please email defiantmemoryalpha@yahoo.com? --Defiant (talk) 16:36, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

To add me to contacts? Okay. --LauraCC (talk) 16:38, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

A possibly personal question Edit

Hey, I don't know if your comfortable answering this question, I understand if you aren't, but I'm going to ask anyone because I'm interested in hearing in the answer (but I'm still find with you not answering), what joke was it that caused you to lose your administratorship? --BepisandCheese (talk) 00:26, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

It was this (entirely meant in jest, but I can see now how it could have been misunderstood). --Defiant (talk) 07:08, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

Francesca BrightyEdit

Don't know if you've seen this yet. --LauraCC (talk) 16:51, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Klingon metagen Edit

I learned from the Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 1, p. 430) that, in the script for "Divergence", genetically modified Klingons were referred to as "Metagenic Klingons" and "Metagens". Can you confirm this?--Memphis77 (talk) 04:35, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

I can confirm that's not true in the script I have for "Divergence", which is the post-production version of the final draft. However, it might have been true in an earlier draft. --Defiant (talk) 06:29, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Question Edit

See here, Is this language named in the script? --LauraCC (talk) 15:07, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Can you give your opinion on this discussion? Edit

Talk:Pitcairn --NetSpiker (talk) 13:39, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

Breen two-parterEdit

Hi, the information about a possible Breen-two parter you added to USS Intrepid cites a document from twitter, but this document only mentions a starship "Indiana", not the Intrepid. What is your source for the name Intrepid in that abandoned story (and can it be cited)? Kennelly (talk) 10:13, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

You're right! This was mistaken info; the write-up in the Undeveloped Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes page kept referring to the ship as the Intrepid mistakenly, and I got mixed up by that. I've recently corrected those offputting references to consistently say "Indiana" instead. However, I must have forgotten to clean up the Intrepid page afterwards. Sorry. --Defiant (talk) 10:18, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

Yet another script question Edit

I'm fact checking something, and all hinges on a fragment of the Day of the Dove first draft script that is floating around at various places on the internet, including right here. But these fragments all seem copied from each other, and nowhere is it stated where they come from, so it seems safer to double check with a trusted authority on Star Trek scripts. It's particularly the "Fifty years" line that I'm interested in confirming is really in the script. Would it be possible for you to look into this? -- Capricorn (talk) 04:23, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's from the first draft, pg. 13, dated 19 August 1968, word-for-word as contributor post at the MA-link noted. They were rewritten with only a portion of first draft reside spoken in the episode, as taken from the same timeing in the script, McCoy: "Chekov may be right. The Klingons claim to have honored the truce, but there have been incidents, raids on our outposts." --Alan del Beccio (talk) 04:32, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that's of great help. -- Capricorn (talk) 05:56, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't manage to get to this. I was suddenly hospitalized and have been busy dealing with some quite serious health matters (I'm now on the mend, though). It's great you guys managed to sort out this script issue between you. --Defiant (talk) 12:29, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. I really wish you the best with your recovery. -- Capricorn (talk) 19:45, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. --Defiant (talk) 20:35, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

1928 Edit

Please see my edit to Talk:1928. --36ophiuchi (talk) 12:13, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but what?! You don't state context. --Defiant (talk) 12:15, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry 'bout that. It is about your revision of my recent edits to the article 1928, where I moved info about holodeck-recreation from the "events" section to the "notes" section. --36ophiuchi (talk) 12:36, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I admit I'm not really all that used to using "year" pages, but looking at some of the other ones (such as 1930), the "Notes" section seems reserved for non-canon info. If the "Notes" section is used for holographic info instead, how do you propose we differentiate that from the placement of bginfo? --Defiant (talk) 12:45, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Well, theoretically, the "Notes" sections should then be called "Apocrypha"; any background info should go in a section called "Background information". Then there could be new "Notes" section containing stuff like holographic recreations... It will be necessary to sift through all the year articles in order to standardize them I guess. --36ophiuchi (talk) 23:02, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

PS: Right now, articles are inconsistent. E.g., 1940 includes holodeck infos in "Events", whereas 1944 has it in the "Notes" section. --36ophiuchi (talk) 10:54, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

I agree; they need to be formatted consistently, regarding sections. --Defiant (talk) 10:59, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
"History" (stuff that happened in real 1928) and "Fiction" (stuff that happened in a fake 1928 setting)? We could also differentiate where they occurred. So we could have "Alpha Quadrant" ("Earth" and other locations as sub-headings), "Delta Quadrant" ("Voyager" and DQ planets) and "Unknown". --LauraCC (talk) 15:36, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
I suspect a lot of the year pages have too few entries to contain quite so much categorization, but I can kind of accept what you're saying. I think 2 notes or more would warrant a location (sub)heading. I do like your "History" and "Fiction" headings suggestion, though. --Defiant (talk) 15:47, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Redirect Edit

As the person who goofed with this I'm curious, why the recreation of Ward (law) as a redirect? Nothing links to it, no one is going to search for it, in short, it seems useless... -- Capricorn (talk) 18:34, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Lol. How do you know no-one's going to search for it?! How very presumptuous of you. Just earlier today, I was trying to locate the article related to that term. If that redirect had been there, the page at legal ward would have been much easier to find. It's certainly not beyond question that someone else might go through the same process I did. --Defiant (talk) 18:38, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

To answer your specific question, just seems like few people would type the exact phrase "Ward (law)" into the search box, rolling the dice that it will be disambiguated and will be in that way, instead of simply going for ward and see what happens. Also I mistakenly assumed you were recreating a page I had recently accidentally created instead of getting there completely independently (which incidently does suggest your redirect makes sense). But I guess I struck some (very light) nerve, so just forget I asked. :) I was just curious and don't strongly care, and I have no real problem with that redirect existing. -- Capricorn (talk) 20:29, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Re-revert Edit

I see you reverted my edit to Andoria, but I changed it back again because I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted it. The text I changed and you changed back was this:

In 2256, Captain Gabriel Lorca pointed out to Michael Burnham that, while journeying on the mycelial network, a traveler might blink and, before they knew it, they had "missed" a visit to the moons of Andoria.

(I changed it to this, which you reverted)

The moons of Andoria were among the locations experienced in a 2256 demonstration of the possibilities of spore drive.

However, it was Romulus (which we saw right after) that Lorca pointed out might be missed by blinking. Dialog went like this: "Hold tight. Blink: you're in Ilari. Blink: the moons of Andoria. Blink: you missed Romulus." -- Capricorn (talk) 19:55, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Also, this is my mistake for not being more specific, but when I asked for less fingers on the Alice in Wonderland book, I meant before Tilly grabbed it, not after Burnham let go. The replacement image you uploaded has more of the book un-fingered, but there's also less detail to be discerned on the cover. Whereas the moment I'm describing has just as much detail, but still less finger. Sorry to be so pedantic. -- Capricorn (talk) 20:30, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

The view of the book seems clearest in the image I've uploaded. All you're not seeing is a black band at the bottom that simply reads "Carroll". Since it says "Lewis Carroll" on the spine of the book, that's hardly necessary info! I'll upload a version of the Tilly-hand-off view if you can explain/account for the need for 2 views of the book. 1 is fine imho. --Defiant (talk) 11:32, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

Not two views, just what I thought was the best view. Your new upload compared to the previous version loses some detail of the cover illustration: look for example at the lower right quadrant of the cover: in the previous image there was some detail still visible, while in the new one it's just a black blur. When last watching the episode I noticed that there was a moment where the cover was had just as much detail as in the original picture, but only one finger obscuring it, that of Burnham. Which I thought was would be an improvement over the original picture, hence the request. Dunno, I personally don't like asking other people for stuff, it was a while since I hit up requested images. And when stuff turns into a hastle like this I admit I wonder what I'm doing wrong. -- Capricorn (talk) 22:20, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Discussion Edit

Hi, Do you want to discuss the admin for xfiles wiki Princess Diva? I dug on some stuff that you would not like. MechQueste talk 21:34, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

on a side note, is there a reason why synopsis is at the top instead of a summary? MechQueste talk 21:36, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

Please keep discussion of The X-Files Wiki off this talk page. Instead, try emailing me at defiant@starfleet.com. --Defiant (talk) 21:42, October 17, 2017 (UTC)


I have a question. Why is everything in past tense? MechQueste talk 02:02, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

On MA? MA:POV. -- sulfur (talk) 02:05, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

Fyi Edit

Your suggested category is created. Tom (talk) 14:48, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. :) --Defiant (talk) 01:36, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

question about Hatchery script Edit

I'm trying to determine if the Walsh article shows the correct picture. Can you tell me if the Hatchery script identifies Walsh as the crewman who accompanies Trip to the Insectoid ship to retrieve the captain at the end of the episode? --NetSpiker (talk) 00:51, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

Can you check the script please? --NetSpiker (talk) 03:57, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Script Question Edit

Hi there and happy new year, hope you're doing good. I've got a script question for you. Near the beginning of TAS: "Once Upon a Planet", just before the Queen of Hearts appears and the plot kicks in, McCoy sees a large house and muses "they just don't make them like that anymore". I'm wondering how that house is described in the script. -- Capricorn (talk) 07:07, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

Also, this is a bit wider a query, but it would would be interesting to know how these "drones" were described in the script. The word drone was never used in the episode, which instead tends to use the word robot for various of the planets actors, but these machines themselves remain unnamed. So that page's name probably isn't the best. -- Capricorn (talk) 07:22, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

See talk:Once Upon a Planet (episode) and talk:Robot hovercraft. --Alan (talk) 03:24, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Capricorn (talk) 06:49, January 9, 2018 (UTC) And in a completely unrelated sidenote; the detail in the descriptions in that script is pretty cool. -- Capricorn (talk) 07:06, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Phlox grammar Edit

You've recently reverted my edit of this sentence in Phlox: "That was the first time Phlox had seen that many dead people in one place before." - The before at the end makes no sense to me. Correct me if I'm wrong^^ --36ophiuchi (talk) 18:12, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

You're wrong. "Before" is superfluous in this case and doesn't make grammatical sense to me. The former objection is objective whereas the latter is subjective. --Defiant (talk) 09:41, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

Klingons in DIS Edit

Hello! I saw that you reverted my additions in AVH background information as "irrelevant". I don't object on the first note, but the second one about Klingon forehead ridges, I think it's not. That episode is chronologically the first appearance of Klingons since ENT: Affliction, which was made as a prelude to the TOS appearance of Klingons. As you are more experienced, I trust your judgment, but I believe you should see to it so at to include a reference in an appropriate way. Thank you for your attention. Tiki Mo'ai (talk) 16:33, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Heads up Edit

I'm afraid I've ended up putting a page of yours up for deletion. -- Capricorn (talk) 20:39, March 24, 2018 (UTC)

Good catch; thanks. :) --Defiant (talk) 23:45, March 24, 2018 (UTC)

FA review project Edit

Hey Defiant. I am currently in the process of going through the FA list with a view to bringing the article's statuses up to date as some of them haven't been looked at for over ten years and have changed quite significantly in that time. Consider it a little project of mine. As an established user, I was hoping I could ask you to keep an eye on the Memory Alpha:Featured article reviews page from time to time and perhaps weigh in on any discussions there to help speed up the review process? I'm not asking you to necessarily agree with anything I post there, just trying to encourage discussion on the subject. Thanks in advance. --| TrekFan Open a channel 17:13, March 27, 2018 (UTC)

Conflicts Edit

Just a friendly reminder that we have a page listing Conflicts. If you're going to make more articles on battles and such, you should try to remember linking them there. -- Capricorn (talk) 13:32, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

That's great; thanks for the heads-up :) --Defiant (talk) 17:42, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Kudos Edit

You have done great work the Star Trek fandom thanks you (Minister lord vader (talk) 18:48, July 22, 2018 (UTC))

That's nice of you to say. Thank you. --Defiant (talk) 07:15, July 25, 2018 (UTC)

Script questionEdit

Hi, hope you're doing well. I've a script question. In the script of "Nothing Human", is the "Chief" in Chief exobiology specialist capitalized? I'm looking at that article and I just have this idea that there's a good possibility that the phrase was wrongly parsed, that when Mosset said "I am Crell Moset, Chief Exobiology specialist Cardassia Prime", he just meant that he was the most prominent/important/authoritive such specialist on the planet. -- Capricorn (talk) 12:36, August 4, 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, sorry for the delay of my reply. Secondly, I'm afraid the script is inconclusive about this issue. Since this line of dialogue was to be garbled (and is garbled in the final version of the episode), the final draft script has Moset's line say, "…Moset…Service… Cardassia Prime… certified… Surgical…" Also, there are no other references to the CES title elsewhere in the script. Thirdly, I'd personally recommend "Chief Exobiology Specialist" or "chief exobiology specialist", for whichever context he meant it. The problem is, we just can't be sure what way he meant it. --Defiant (talk) 15:32, August 5, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. That's.... really spectacularly inconclusive. C'est la vie I guess. Also, no need to stress it about delayed replies, I've not really had much time to be here either lately. It happens :) -- Capricorn (talk) 06:08, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

Script question Edit

Hey. Maybe you can provide some information to the following: How does the script of "Fortunate Son" call the Nausicaan ships we have as Nausicaan raiders on Memory Alpha? The episode itself only mentions them as "Nausicaan ship". Eaglemoss is listing it as "Nausicaan fighter". We have it as Nausicaan raider. And we have another redirect, "Nausicaan pirate ship". Any description from the script? Thanks for your time. -- Tom (talk) 22:20, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Umm... the script uses both "Nausicaan raiders" and "Nausicaan ships" (no reference to "Nausicaan fighters" though). However, the episode dialogue consistently calls them "Nausicaan ships", so I guess that's what we should opt for. --Defiant (talk) 08:13, November 20, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. :) -- Tom (talk) 09:18, November 20, 2018 (UTC)

Incite Edit

Hey. I've worked a bit on the episode "Fortunate Son" and placed an incite tag in the "Story and script" section of the background information. Maybe you can help here and expand this one sentence a bit regarding the differences of the script and the final episode? Any help is appreciated. -- Tom (talk) 00:04, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Wow. What a way to shoot yourself in the foot, Tom! That's self-sabotage to the Nth degree. --Defiant (talk) 06:59, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

Denebian whaleEdit

Hey, it seems I haven't seen you around much recently, I sure hope you're doing ok. What I'm posting about though is this: do you have a source for that? -- Capricorn (talk) 14:08, April 9, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Capricorn. Honestly, the sheer crapiness of Discovery and the stupidly widely accepted reception of it by fans has been discouraging me from participating here. I'll probably get back to editing more here after DIS S2 concludes. Anyway, the info was told to me privately by my friend Aaron Harvey. --Defiant (talk) 07:00, April 11, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah it's a very frustrating series. I'm the stubborn type that hasn't let that discourage me, but you've taken the saner path for sure. Regardless, it would be good to see you back more active here. Thanks for the the clarification, wish there was something more citable, but I guess if there had been, you'd have added a note to the article. -- Capricorn (talk) 12:01, April 11, 2019 (UTC)

Image Edit

This image you uploaded needs everything. - Archduk3 05:46, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention. I definitely appreciate it, so cheers. :) --Defiant (talk) 10:17, September 1, 2019 (UTC)
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