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Hey. Do you still need that? If not I'm going to delete it :) — Morder 07:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Bari Edit

you copyvio criminal! how dare you...i think i'll put your page up for deletion :) — Morder 07:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, it's my own writing, so there is no copyright violation. But then you knew that, didn't you, you little jokester, you. ;) --From Andoria with Love 08:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Why So Serious?

You wanna know how I got these scars?


[1] -- sulfur 00:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I heard. Very sad. We're losing some greats this year, and its just started. :( --From Andoria with Love 02:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Links Edit

Aloha - User:Morder/Links. If you could comment that'd be great :) — Morder 23:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Just two links.... Edit

Hey. I found these links and though of you. ;) – Tom 01:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice, man. Thanks! I'll go through them and see if I missed anyone, but I think they are actually missing a few, lol! Thanks again! :) --From Andoria with Love 03:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

dude... Edit

!stats — Morder 11:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Toby Lamm Edit

Fyi Here is a contact number for Toby Lamm. – Tom 21:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Tom! Now I gotta work up the courage (and the time) to actually call him, lol! --From Andoria with Love 21:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
No risk, no fun. ;) – Tom 00:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
What are you calling them for? Sorry to butt in on someone else's conversation, just curious. Startrip 00:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
To confirm if he worked on the upcoming Star Trek. --From Andoria with Love 01:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Birthday Edit

HAPPY BIRTHDAY hopefully you're not nerd enough to see this today and you're out partying!

The preceding comment was added by — Morder 17:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto :) DaveSubspace Message 18:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. Obviously, I am nerd enough to see this today, lol! :-D --From Andoria with Love 18:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
That was incredibly fast! And Happy Birthday. Surely, the best of times.— Vince47 06:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
What they said, birthday wishes from Tellar, and stuff. The true test of a nerd is if they can make use of this recent "news". --Alan 22:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll be sure to include that in the next CelebWatch I write, whenenver that may be. As for MA, I don't think an actor's change in his personal views is really news; at least, it's not really something that qualifies for the "latest news" panel on the main page. Interesting catch, though, thanks again. :) --From Andoria with Love 00:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

That's for the edit of my picture I uploaded of the con artist "Mudd".Kjp993 04:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

 ;) Edit

Yes, Yes, Yes. Btw, Chris Antonucci performed stunts in the Boston Legal episode Spring Fever (2006), just for the case you want to add him. – Tom 10:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Fyi Edit

Have a look. – Tom 19:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Benton Ward, one more for your list. – Tom 14:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Happy Belated Birthday Edit

I have returned. Happy belated birthday. :) – Watching... listening... 18:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Formatting Toolbar on Image Upload Page Edit

How come there is none as there is on other editing pages? Typing in formatting can be a bit tedious. – Watching... listening... 18:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. It would certainly come in handy. This may be something to bring up in a forum or to a Wikia developer. And thanks for the birthday wishes, by the way. :) --From Andoria with Love 18:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding removal of Malcolm Reed's weakness with sexy women Edit

Hi user:Shran, I strongly disagree with your removal of my original paragraph regarding Reed's weakness with women, here are my arguments:

1. Perhaps it should not be in the "relationships" section, as such an attribute is not EXACTLY a "relationship", but one could argue that this attribute of him obviously will affect his relationship with other women (for example, in a cutscene from Broken Bow, Reed jokes with Hoshi, with a sense of flirtation in his eyes). If NOT in the "relationships" section, perhaps it should be in some other section such as "personalities"?

2. I've read the entire article, unless I'm missing something, there's ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of this weakness/attribute of Reeds, that he is easily enticed by sexy women (regardless of their species).

Please get back to me regarding these ideas. Perhaps we can work together somehow and make this key information into the article. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ubcphysicsyangbo (talk • contribs).

Hi, Ubcphysicsyangbo. I replied to your concerns at Talk:Malcolm Reed. Please continue this discussion there. Thank you. :) --From Andoria with Love 20:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Edit

Hello, I'm Alientraveller, I haven't done much editing on Memory Alpha, but I have done a lot of work for the Wikipedia article on the new film. I was curious if I could create userpages for myself and others to edit for in-universe content from the film based on the 25 minutes that have been screened across the world, and put these on to the main space on May 8 per the spoiler policy. – Alientraveller 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. Just to make sure I understand you correctly, you want to create subpages of your user pages containing information from the film, correct? If so, that should be okay. My only real concern is that I'm not sure how fair it would be to those who have not seen the footage and who may want to add information themselves once they see the film. Beyond that, I see no reason you can't do you're suggesting. :) --From Andoria with Love 03:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys. I was made aware of this discussion by Alan, and after some discussion, I think it would be unwise to do this. We disallow spoiler information to be put on this site for a reason - some people (including members of the editing community) don't want to be spoiled, and it is hard to avoid being spoiled if the information is already spread to all articles it would belong.
Restricting it to just one article might work, but I'm not sure about even that - there are edit summaries, possible redlinks, and people who haven't read our spoiler policy and just add more after they've found some information. Also, if we allow information in one article, this article might as well be Star Trek (film) itself, which spoiler-aware people like me already avoid like hell.
So, what it comes down to in my opinion - let's better not go there. -- Cid Highwind 16:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I was thinking since they will be user subpages, people who don't want to be spoiled could simply avoid them as they do the film page. Also, I was assuming Alientraveller would add spoiler templates to the top of the articles. That said, you're probably right, it's best to just leave such information off the site until the movie opens. The film page itself doesn't contain that much plot information, just some info on the characters that are in the movie. I try not to add info on what the characters actually do in the movie, though. So, to Alientraveller, as Cid said, it's probably best not to add that info to the site at all until the movie comes out. Sorry. :( --From Andoria with Love 18:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Another problem would be that there would be nothing to stop multiple people from writing their own versions of articles. Which one would then have the honor of becoming the actual article on the "big day?" Who would decide that and on what criteria? At least with regular articles, it truly becomes a collaborative project where everything has to be in one place. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I never thought about that. Shame on me. See, this is why I should have gone with my first instinct and tell Alientraveller to bring it up in a forum. Sorry about all this, guys. --From Andoria with Love 20:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
BAD Shran! That's NO! :P -- Renegade54 16:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Countdown information to Apocryphya doesn't count right because it's not from the film? Alientraveller 17:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Newest Trailer for Star Trek Movie Edit

Hey, shouldn't it say "The trailer is currently playing before most screenings of the film Watchmen"? In front of doesnt sound right I'd say :) Anyway, I couldn't do the change 'cause the page is locked for some reason. By the way, good to know about Arclight and the art-display. I think it will play at the Dome there and the website is showing the running time as 140 mins actually. ...– Distantlycharmed 03:49, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the wording. As for the website, their information is incorrect. Paramount has already contacted Arclight, but I guess they haven't updated the site yet. --From Andoria with Love 05:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
So, I was at the Arclight tonight for Watchmen and I saw the three models of the USS Enterprise that were cast from 3D digital models created for the film by ILM. One of them was in neon and the other one had the UPS logo on it and was in all UPS colors and said "Synchronizing the Galaxy of commerce" on it, which was pretty cool. I dont know if i should put that info up but i thought it was something interesting to share. No trailer by the way...Peace. – Distantlycharmed 08:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it needs to be added to the article, since it's not really relevant to the movie itself. Thanks for sharing, though. I did see the pictures of the models, but I'd love to be able to check them out in person. And there was no Star Trek trailer in my screening of Watchmen, either. I had to watch the trailer when I got home. Woulda loved to see it on the big screen, though. --From Andoria with Love 09:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Please Verify Edit

Your expertise is recquired: 01:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Vince. Thanks for pointing this out. The information appears to be inaccurate. The preview that aired with Heroes was the third trailer as already seen online and in theaters. Apparently, though, an announcer was added, and the announcer said "Star Trek - The Future" or "Star Trek - The Future Begins," referring to the movie, but that is not the title of the movie. There has been no title change, fortunately. :) --From Andoria with Love 02:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Coding? Edit

Do you know much about the codes and what not for wiki software (such as Memory Alpha). I have been looking around, and haven't been able to find an answer to how Memory Alpha does the columns side by side on the main page, such as it is. I have seen the code on the main page, but it just doesn't want to work on my personal wikia. It's the latest version, in case you need to know. Any thoughts on this? Thanks for any attention you can give this in advance.--Terran Officer 20:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Terran Officer. The Main Page is comprised of individual templates called "panels", a list of which you can find here. In order to get them working on your page, you will need to create each panel. To work them as colored panels, you will need a template like this one. Then you just add their codes to the Main Page, defining the colors you want to use. For example {{Colored Panel|Browse|#331818|#666}} should give you the reddish "browse Memory Alpha" panel you see on the Main Page. Now, I'm not a really knowledgeable on coding, so if this doesn't work, you may want to ask someone like bp0 what's wrong. But it should work. Hope this helps! :) --From Andoria with Love 22:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks man Edit

...and no worries :)– Distantlycharmed 18:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Countdown TPB Edit

Shran, the source for it being released this week is here. Diamond should confirm on Monday. -- Michael Warren | Talk 13:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. I was going by the date at It seems odd, though, that the trade paperback collecting all four issues would be published a week before the fourth issue is even released. --From Andoria with Love 14:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Requesting permission to copy Edit

Hey Shran, it's Mjmjr91, I'd like to ask your permission to copy your summary of Star Trek: Countdown #4 over to Memory Beta. Thanks, --Mjmjr91 19:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Permission granted. :) --From Andoria with Love 21:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

JJ Abrams Interview Edit

Hi Shran. Congrats on getting nominated to select the best questions for the JJ Abrams interview. So here are the next steps: I'll create the question submission page and have it posted to Memory Alpha by Wednesday (Thursday at the latest). I'd like to accept questions from Thursday April 9 - Sunday April 19th. On Monday the 20th, you and Jorg can pick your favorites and we'll compile them on a separate talk page. Once we pick the questions, I'll shoot 'em out to JJ's camp! Lemme know if you have any questions. Thanks - -- Karim@fandom (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Hello again, I wanted to let you know that i'll be posting the submission page tomorrow and will ping you when i have it up. Once we open the doors for question submissions, it would be sweet if the event was promoted on the main page of MA. Feel free to contact me if you need help with anything or if you have questions. This should be a lot of fun :)

-- Karim@fandom (talk) 00:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

  • OK, so I've posted the submission page: Memory Alpha:Ask J.J. Abrams. Lemme know if you have any feedback on it. If its in good shape, can you announce in the forum and promote on the home page? Thanks! -- Karim@fandom (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I checked it out and made some wording fixes. Looks good! As for promoting it on the home page, I'll need to discuss with my MA pals where the best place for it would be. The main page is already way too long, IMO. I'll see what we can do. Thanks! :) --From Andoria with Love 22:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey Shran, could you take a look at the answers and mention them on the front page or something similar. Must - sleep - now ;-) --Jörg 22:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
If you've got a sec, please join the IRC chatroom. --Jörg 22:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shran, would it be possible to promote the interview by writing a blurb at the top of the MA site notice? It would be great if we could notify the entire community that the interview's up (also any help on would be much appreciated). Posting it on the homepage somewhere could be very helpful as well. Lemme know if there's any way I can help. Thanks again!-- Karim@fandom (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I've added the blurb on the sitenotice. I contacted Anthony at yesterday, but he has not yet replied, nor did he put the story in yesterday's tidbits. Hopefully, it'll be in the next tidbits article. --From Andoria with Love 01:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Invitiation to join service record game Edit

Hey, how are you doing. I would like to invite you to take a look at a new internet game I designed. If you wuld like to play it, you can send an e-mail to It requires as much or as little participation as you want and the records generated by the game are regularly e-mailed and can be burned to a CD when/if a character retires. I think you will truely enjoy it and I am looking for live action player. Thank you! -FC 17:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm Edit

thanks for your invitation, but do you really want every person to register who corrects a single typo in a name he just happened to accidently notice? -- 02:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for interjecting, but the welcome message is automatic. It's a new feature across all wikis. It's meant to encourage participation.--31dot 02:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Heh. You're late 31dot - he already responded on User talk: :) — Morder 03:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Strange article Edit

Not sure what this is about. Might be a new editor unfamilar with the site. -FC 16:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Automatic welcomes Edit

So, you broke it. Next time, can you please take a few minutes to investigate how it works and perhaps even check out the forum discussion that we've been having about it?

There are better ways to change its behaviour, rather than simply blocking the bot entirely. Far better ways. -- sulfur 11:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

dead Edit

  • Tharon Musser, Tony-winning Broadway lighting designer (A Chorus Line, Dreamgirls)
  • Jack Cardiff, Oscar-winning cinematographer (Black Narcissus) and director (Sons and Lovers)
  • Beatrice Arthur, actress (The Golden Girls) 13th May 1922 - 25th April 2009 [2]Tom 22:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Kim Weiskopf, writer/producer (Married with Children, Full House, Three's Company, Good Times)
  • Ken Annakin, director (Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines, Swiss Family Robinson, Battle of the Bulge)
  • Linda Dangcil, actress (Flying Nun)
  • Greg Smith, Emmy-winning producer
  • John Cater, actor (unconfirmed)

STXI Canon Policy Query Edit

I was wondering: since, according to BBC World Service, ST XI has premiered in Australia. So why is it still non-canon on MA? Officially, it has been premiered. – Crimsondawn hears you... 14:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Not worldwide, and therefore it is not available to all users, see Forum:Removing spoiler restrictions. --Alan 14:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Right. Fair enough. – Crimsondawn hears you... 14:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Church Edit

I suspect that the anon that edited Ryan Church may have been Church himself... whatcha think? -- Renegade54 20:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Since his official site states Church is working on Transformers 2, probably not. :) --From Andoria with Love 20:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it's possible. Maybe he removed the Transformers 2 line by mistake, since it said that's what he was currently working on and it wasn't correct. --From Andoria with Love 20:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he can't edit his own site... it very well might be controlled by his someone he or his publicist hires. *shrug* -- Renegade54 20:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Trek film template Edit

Just to let you know, it currently says that Star Trek (film) is 11th out of 10 films. I dare not touch the template, I'll screw it up completely... DaveSubspace Message 05:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I've written the whole story out of the new film with links and everything, but the main page is still locked. Can I stick mine in, or do I have to wait another day or so and find someone else has done the whole lot instead? DaveSubspace Message 05:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the warm welcome, i already have an account, Theta-Gamma, i simply did not realize i was not logged in, but thank you once again :).Edit


I'm sorry about the whole Narada thing, actually intended for those words to be heard by someone else on a forum that i currently post on, and i mistakenly pasted the content of my last forum post before the name Shran, i always forget that i still have that old copy and paste, and i intended to insert a different name, citing a particularly nasty troll, who i happen to believe hasn't even seen the movie, and happens disagrees with the whole forum on his editing of our what we call a ship database, so sorry about this whole thing, it's all a misunderstanding as i don't disagree with you, and i have also seen the movie, in fact i might be seeing it again today, but i have not seen it as much as you, so you're probably more qualified to edit the Narada page, i just wanted to add a little something :). I really should be using my wiki account, now shouldn't i? I would also like to thank you for the work you've put into memory alpha :).

First Contact Edit

Hello Shran- PBorg here. Some background info for First Contact for you. The Bolian in First Contact. The Scene with Jordi Lefarge was played by Gregory Sweeney. He also appeared in Nemesis as Starfleet in a scene with Jonathan Frakes.

Thanks for the info! And sorry for the late reply. I see you contacted Tom, though, so I'm sure he'll take care of it. Thanks again! :) --From Andoria with Love 18:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

International Numbers.Edit

I took the Worldwide total and decided to minus out the domestic total. Roger Murtaugh 06:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia, which linked here. :) I may have been a little bit off. Roger Murtaugh 06:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I estimated, and no, it's okay. Did you enjoy the film? I've seen it 1 time, I play to see it at least 4. :) You? Roger Murtaugh 06:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh IMAX is drool worthy man. I'm taking a girl to see it, hopeful it's a good movie for girls too haha. I have a girlfriend so it's not a date. But anyway lmao. You are lucky man, I crave to see it in IMAX. What was your favorite scene? Roger Murtaugh 07:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I am online now. :D Roger Murtaugh 08:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Trinidad and Tobago ST IX Release Date Edit

Well, you were correct: it was released on May 8th, same as the US and Latin America. But, as usual, Trinidad gets it first, THEN Tobago. *frown* I'll see it this weekend. You may be wondering how come I've dealt with so much of the material even though I have not yet seen the film. I am one of the few people who do not mind spoilers, as they show me what to expect and whether or not it is worth me paying money. This is only to a point, though; I've taken great care not to read the plot summary in detail because I don't want to know the WHOLE thing, just a basic outline. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 11:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I knew it! Edit

All this time you were just a sockpuppet! — Morder 11:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Not me. Edit

And his page is different, it seems he liked our Pages and needed help building his. Roger Murtaugh 22:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Code names Edit

Hey Shran. I've just seen your comment on this. Code name, you think that these names were code names during the production? So far I've understood these names were their names. I've just created "Dexter" because of this. Maybe you could reach out your antennae and try to find out what is true.... ;) – Tom 23:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

And finally it was confirmed by the make-up department head that these names were just "code names". I've removed the red link here. sorry. – Tom 13:42, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


So in other words you didn't even read my explenation why Romulus was not destroyed in the prime time line. This has nothing to do with my liking or disliking of Romulus. It is simple reasoning when concidering the impacts of time travel and what was presented in the movie. If memory alpha is determined to show incorrect facts, I will stop editing, but you should read my explenation. It is undeniable that Romulus was not destroyed in the prime timeline because it's destruction caused Nero to come back in time and alter the timeline. If the prime timeline is concidered to remain untouched and intact by the actions of Nero, then he must not have come back in time within the prime timeline, and therefore Romulus must still be intact. It's simple reasoning, not very hard. -- 22:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you still fail to understand what happened in the movie. Altering the timeline, aka the destruction of Romulus in the old timeline, is what created a new timeline. What's so hard to understand about that? 22:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Anon, you don't get it. We all read your explanation, but it is simply not correct. That's not our opinion, but what the writers stated. If you don't believe what they said about their own movie, go ahead, but we do. --31dot 22:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Not to mention, your own explanation makes no sense. You say Nero's actions have no effect on the prime timeline, yet use that to argue an effect on the prime timeline. If Nero's actions did not effect the prime timeline, than it did not save Romulus in it. That would be effecting the prime timeline. --OuroborosCobra talk 23:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Seen It Edit

I finally saw ST XI this weekend. I am impressed. :)– Crimsondawn hears you... 02:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

USS Kelvin Background Issue Edit

I noticed you disagreed with me on the USS Kelvin background. The problem I had with it was that I did not feel that Orci had fully sanctioned the specific theory that was stated. Rather, he said: "Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do." Most of theory was cooked up by someone else who was just asking Orci what his thoughts on it were. The other issue I had was that Orci himself seemed to be just thinking out loud when he posted his comment and I've always been under the impression that the background section was strictly for production information.--Hribar 01:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Hribar. If the information comes from someone who worked on the production, then it is considered production information. However, you are correct, the wording does make it seem like he's saying, "Hey, how about this?", rather than giving an official explanation. Perhaps the note can be reworded so that there's no doubt that it's a suggestion from the writer and not an official explanation? Anyway, if you feel strongly against it, feel free to remove the note again, but if you do, I would suggest taking the concerns you pointed out above and bring them up on the talk page to see what others think. --From Andoria with Love 02:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Countdown as an Animated Prequel? Edit

Do you know if Paramount is planning to have Countdown turned into an animated prequel? I have seen rumors on websites. Not only would it be an excellent DVD extra, but the story does provide badly-needed background to Nero. Plus which that would also make it canon and thus solve the problem of the Hobus article... :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 04:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I haven't heard any such rumors. I highly doubt they will be adapting the comic into anything canon, though. --From Andoria with Love 05:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Birthright removal Edit

Why did you remove my fact on the Birthright page? No citation? Anyone who was paying attention to the episode would have seen the production staff member with the R/C controller in his hands. What's going on?

I am not Shran, but I can say that it was a nitpick, which is not allowed per policy.--31dot 19:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Ahh thank you, and I found the discussion on the "Talk" page of the episode. However, something so glaring of a mistake should be on the main page, which was my intention.--Italianajt

Spock's Brain edit Edit

Dear sir, I placed an edit in the Production heading of "Spock's Brain" regarding the cast walking in front of a MOVING starfield, and how the shots of the viewscreen were episode-specific. My edit was removed and I was told that Kirk and Spock also walked in front of a MOVING starfield in "The Doomsday Machine. In the ORIGINAL version, at the end of the episode they walked in front of a NON-MOVING starfield background which did not even include the planet killer on screen. Please watch BOTH ORIGINAL EPISODES and you will see I am right...the viewsreen shots in "Spock's Brain" are not the standard stock angles, but were shot SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT EPISODE. Please replace my comments when you have confirmed my facts. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boltmancraft (talk • contribs).

Referring to this edit, you are correct that in "The Doomsday Machine" was a static (painted) screen. — Morder 10:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Syntax Editors Edit

Is there anyone that you know of who goes through and corrects common syntax errors in the articles? I think that would be very beneficial if this is to be considered the true MA. --Italianajt 12:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

What kind of syntax errors do you mean? Grammar? Wiki format problems? There are several of us that do it... -- sulfur 13:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Grammar errors mostly, I'm sure anyone can go across and correct problems of that sort.--Italianajt 13:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

There are a few of us who do that. Of course, with 30000+ articles, some of the grammatical errors languish. -- sulfur 14:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Borg Queen Edit

On the borg queen page my edits were undone because they were "speculation and point of view". In the first paragraph, the article even says many of the facts of her origin are speculation and theory. My argument was based on facts, because in First contact, she says she "is the collective", also unlike other borg who have served as representatives like Locutus and 7 of 9, she used the term I and said she "was" the borg not "of" borg, like the other two. Also, she never deliniates herself as being a representative. So how is my argument speculation, when I'm just stating the facts? Largoss21 16:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

New comments at the bottom. Simply put you may be basing your opinions on facts but they're still opinions. "This can be construed as refuting the theory of her being a representative of the borg." This is your thoughts and not fact. I could probably take the same reasoning and come up with a different theory as to what she is. Then we'd have two theories on the page, or more and then everyone would want to post their ideas based on these "facts". Simply put you can't put opinions on this site. 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The Fuss Edit

You're right in that it isn't a big deal whether the new Enterprise is canonically listed as a Constitution or not. But since so many people have an issue with the production figures regarding the length, it would be inconsistent at best, hypocritical at worst to allow those same sources to be used as confirmation of the class without accepting the length figures. That's my perspective, at any rate.Dangerdan97 18:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

True. But as far as Enterprise type (alternate reality) goes, the resource policy does allow us to use production sources when naming articles. So that page could be at "Constitution class (alternate reality)" and could thus be listed in the Enterprise article. I actually would have waited for direct confirmation before creating the alternate Constitution class page, but that's just me. I'm currently trying to see if I can get a picture of the alternate Enterprise's dedication plaque, which will hopefully confirm whether or not its a Connie. --From Andoria with Love 19:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we are stretching "production resource" when we are using things like "Intel's promotional website," Shran. In fact, until this movie came out, I'd never seen "production resource" stretched nearly as far as it has been now. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Er, it's not Intel's site, it's from the dossiers on the official site of the movie, which the writers help put together. The dossier of the Enterprise states it's a Constitution class. --From Andoria with Love 19:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Which is still well beyond the scope of what we have ever used as a "production resource" in the past, and should be rediscussed on the canon policy before using it all over the place. We haven't used Ron Moore's interviews to name articles, in fact we've generally only used the scripts. Not just any old note lying around that a writer happened to put a pen too. If they didn't bother putting it in the movie, or even intend it to be in the movie (as indicated by actually being in the script, not by being in a novel, comic, website, or scrap of paper written while at a bar), why are we allowing for months after the fact post script editing and writing by the authors? If that is the standard, why are we not counting anything and everything from the comics or fifty million novels as canon if they are written by the authors? We've generally used scripts, and maybe a background note from an interview or a "Companion" or something. Not the mass "use everything" that has been occurring since the movie came out. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Eavesdropping Edit

Hey, can you eavesdrop in irc for a bit? have a quick question for you. — Morder 07:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Crap, I forgot all about this. Remind me tomorrow if you don't hear from me. Thanks :) — Morder 10:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ready when you are. :) — Morder 07:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Seriously Edit

Do you really think that low of me? If I was still pursuing removing Alan as an administrator, I would not have waited until we had a clear demonstration of another admin grossly abusing their authority to come up with a policy. I'd have done this months ago, and used it quickly. Shouldn't that tell you something? That I have not been continually, single mindedly pursuing an old vendetta? --OuroborosCobra talk 00:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a cynic, I think low of everybody. :) Nah, it's just that, with all your collecting of evidence and listing of Alan's past "indiscretions," I was just curious as to whether you had some desire to use this proposal to see if you could get Alan de-admined. After all, by your own admittance, you don't like Alan. And you are the one who keeps bringing up the vendetta, referencing things Alan did a year ago or even three years ago. If I had a problem with an administrator and thought he violated a policy here and there, I would probably want him de-sysyoped, too. I just don't see where Alan did anything to deserve that. Unlike any of Alan's past actions, however, Defiant's actions were a clear abuse of admin rights which allowed the door to a de-adminship to be opened. I'm not saying Defiant should be de-admined either – after all, his block was pointless since Alan can just unblock himself (as can any admin) – but it certainly allowed for the re-opening of a de-sysoping proposal and a possibly the opportunity to bring some of Alan's perceived indiscretions back to light. I wasn't saying this was definitely the case with you, I just wanted to be sure. I said at the start of this reply that I was a cynic; that was not a joke, for the most part. We're all human; we all have our grudges, our personal vendettas. I have them, you have them, Alan has them, everyone has them. Many times, these grudges have been brought to this site. I just wanted to make absolutely sure this was not one of those times. --From Andoria with Love 01:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, but not only was your wording not one of curiosity, but unlike your claim here of "not saying this was definitely the case," your exact wording on the forum leaves no ambiguity. I quote,

"if this proposal goes through, I'm sure you will go after Alan and Defiant may follow suit" [3]

That is not ambiguous, that is not curiosity, that is not saying "this isn't definitely the case." Your only ambiguity was on Defiant's actions, you stated that you were "sure" as to what I would do. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed! Poor choice of wording, on my part, eh? Yeah, I was definitely in "tackle mode" there. Hey, I said I was a cynic. Anyway, I didn't mean to make it sound quite so definite, but as I said, I wanted to be sure, and I got pretty much the reaction I was expecting. I just hope you mean it, mate. :) --From Andoria with Love 02:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Very poor. In more ways than just the wording. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Of Spock and Uhura Edit

Though I heartily enjoyed the film, I do have a number of pet peeves about it. This is one. Blog after blog, folks are saying how they approve. Saldana and Nimoy have also voiced their approval, saying how good they are for each other.

The only thing is: it makes no sense. Vulcans do not have boyfriends/girlfriends. As I understand it, upon entering his first pon farr, a Vulcan man takes a mate for life. No shopping around, no casual sex, no going steady, no string of relationships. It's either unattached or married. Therefore, to me, the relationship makes no sense. They would not be going steady like two humans. What do you think? :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 01:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, quite simply this Spock is not the same Spock that we all know. Alt Spock had a different childhood than his alter-ego and therefore treated his Vulcan heritage differently. Fits perfectly with this new movie...— Morder 01:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
In addition, Spock is half human, and in multiple instances in TOS showed that he could pursue romantic relationships or feelings outside of pon far. Leila Kalomi, Zarabeth, maybe even Droxine. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh. OK. Didn't know about them. From reading the articles though, in all these instances, he was under the influence of some outside force. But, as you say, they do show he can have relationships outside pon farr. Therefore in the A.R., he could indeed be depicted as doing so. Still kinda looks weird though. Brave new ST world! :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 01:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

For the record, Alt Spock's childhood likely wasn't any different from his childhood in the prime reality. While everything in the movie is still set within an alternate reality, and should therefore be kept separate from the events of the prime reality, things probably didn't change for Spock until after he entered Starfleet Academy. After all, he was supposed to have started serving aboard the Enterprise under Pike in the early 2250s, but didn't start until 2258. So there's probably no difference between prime Spock's life and alt Spock's life until he entered the Academy. As for Spock and Uhura's relationship, it did seem a bit awkward to me, but, as Cobra pointed out, he is half-human. Also, you can tell in the movie that Spock seemed to have some reservations about Uhura getting intimate with him; at least, I could tell that. This changed after Sarek told him that it might be best for him not to try to control his feelings, so the next time we see Spock and Uhura together, he's really into it. The fact that he didn't think he would be back probably played a part in it. I will end by saying one more thing: how do we know Spock hadn't already undergone pon farr with Uhura and taken her as his mate? Huh? Huh? Yeah. Something to think about. :) --From Andoria with Love 09:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Shran your last comment is TOO mind will now explode from such a concept ;) --Italianajt 14:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to note, r.e. the transporter room scene, that it is very inappropriate for senior officers to be carrying on in that manner in public...:) – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Crimsondawn -- Since Spock had already marooned Kirk on Delta Vega, an act which violated regulations, kissing on a transporter didn't seem all that bad to me. :) As I already said, though, he was quite emotional at the time – he was out to get revenge against Nero, and there was a chance he wouldn't be coming back. As such, I doubt he cared about what was appropriate at the time. :) --From Andoria with Love 22:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Re: Wikipedia Edit

Thanks for helping me understand, I wasn't sure if there is any relationship between MA and Wikipedia. I know we can't just copy word for word from there, so I was confused and didn't understand what you meant exactly. Thanks for your help, I'm trying to figure things out around here so I can be a better contributor. DhaliaUnsung 21:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, glad I could help! :) --From Andoria with Love 22:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Enterprise's Warp System Questions Edit

You know a lot more about this than me. I understand that these are newly designed ships in an alternate reality. OK. But:

  • How come the engine room looks like a 20th century manufacturing plant with piping and girders (complete with rivets!)?
  • Where the judgment is the warp core?? – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't have an in-universe explanation for you. The real world reasons for using the Van Nuys Budweiser plant as engineering are A.) J.J. wanted to show that Star Trek's future was closer than we could imagine by combining present day technological aspects with "futuristic" technology, and B.) filming at a large, industrial location was cheaper than building a large, futuristic set. One of the main reasons the film only cost around $142 million to produce was J.J.'s determination to use real locations as opposed to building sets or using greenscreen/bluescreen effects. As for the warp core, it was comprised of the matter/anti-matter chambers which were ejected at the end of the film. --From Andoria with Love 21:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

A Budweiser plant? Then I'm suprised Uhura didn't order a Budweiser at the club. More product placement... :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 05:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

She did. :) --From Andoria with Love 12:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Nero's Wife Edit

I see you reverted my edit of "a wife" in Nero's sidebar to "unnamed wife" back to "a wife", giving the reason as: "Not unnamed in-universe". Did I miss something? In two viewings I heard no name. The only name she was given, Mandana, comes from Countdown, an' yuh know dat ain't canon. I just thought "Unnamed wife" sounds better than "A wife". – Crimsondawn hears you... 05:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Because in-universe she has a name. Unnamed articles are only for the real world such as credits or actor listing. — Morder 05:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Now I'm confused. You say she has a name in-universe. What name?? As I said, the only name I know is non-canon. Secondly, you say that Unnamed articles are only for the real world such as credits or actor listing. Yet I see in-universe articles such as Unnamed Romulans (24th century), which lists Nero's wife. Yuh confusin' meh head, boy! :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 05:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Morder, "in-universe" everyone has a name, every Klingon guard, every member of the Cardassian militia, every barfly at Quark's. We still put them on the unnamed pages, and we don't put realworld templates on them. --OuroborosCobra talk 05:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Duh, I know everyone has a name. My point is that the qualifier as an "unnamed wife" doesn't fit in the article unless it's a background note - which is where everyone is credited as "unnamed". We don't usually put "unnamed" anything in the actual article only in bg notes or in episode pages or they're given in-universe descriptive names - like horned alienMorder 05:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Except for the Female Changeling she was never named... :) — Morder 05:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
And also Borg Queen. :) --Defiant 10:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh, poor Shran's talk page. Yeah...probably good not to name some of them...adds to their character, I suppose though they always called her, The Founder, or something similar. — Morder 10:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Crimsondawn: Although Nero's wife's name was not stated in the movie, articles are written from an in-universe perspective, and within the Star Trek universe, Nero's wife had a name. We, as the audience, just never learned it, but she did have a name. We therefore cannot call her "unnamed" within the article. Yes, we have pages on "unnamed such-and-such" which is the exception to our in-universe rule, but the entirety of Nero's page should be consistent with the "in-universe" rule. --From Andoria with Love 12:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh/ Now I get it. Thanks. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 01:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

"Star Trek films" protection Edit

Hey Shran. Why did you protect Star Trek films? There hasn't been any current vandalism on it, the last edit was 12hrs ago... can you add a reason or unprotect the page? Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 18:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I sensed an edit war brewing; an anon kept adding unneeded and incorrect inflation numbers after I removed them, so I protected the page until it could all be discussed. This was last night sometime. There is a discussion going on at Talk:Star Trek films#Inflation numbers, but the anon either does not know about it or is unwilling to participate. --From Andoria with Love 19:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge Edit

You should merge the histories of the casualties that Archduk has created as he's moving large amounts of text with a large history... :) — Morder 23:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, the Starfleet casualties list is awfully long as it is. Might be a good idea to split them up. --From Andoria with Love 23:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but the new page Mirror universe casualties doesn't maintain the history of the edits to Starfleet casualties. I am talking about keeping separate pages, of course :) — Morder 23:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I'll see what I can do. :) --From Andoria with Love 23:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Silly man... :) — Morder 23:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's fine. Archduk is the one who created the Mirror Universe casualty list anyway (in the Starfleet casualties page), he just moved it to another page. Merging would require deleting/restoring/moving individual edits, which is a bit time-consuming, and I don't think it's really necessary, so... I'm gonna leave it be. :) --From Andoria with Love 23:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. I wasn't aware he's the only supplier of information for the Mirror casualties...such dedication... :) — Morder 23:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Duros/Duross redirects Edit

I don't see how the random web user (such as myself) is supposed to guess the correct spelling of some of these names who are just trying to locate backstory while watching TiVo. What's the harm? --

Data nit Edit

In regards to this edit, how was that contraction example different than the others already there? --OuroborosCobra talk 06:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yah, Morder pointed that out to me. I read the edit and neglected to check the section it was added in. --From Andoria with Love 06:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I say we do away with the list all together. While pointing out the contraction thing might be alright, what is the need of listing every instance he uses them? --OuroborosCobra talk 06:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Really. Though we tend to classify it as a "continuity error" it still screams nitpick. — Morder 06:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

JJ Abrams Interview Prizes!!Edit

  • Hi Shran...So it took eons, but I've finally received the prizes for our JJ Abrams interview from Paramount!! The person who set it up from their end had been on vacation for the last month, which made it a bit of a challenge. BUT...I was able to get two (2) large Star Trek posters signed by JJ and the cast of the movie (these are super sweet!) and two (2) Star Trek USB cards! I also have a bunch of official Star Trek Movie trading cards that we could offer up to 3 runners up. So, out of the 20 people that had their questions submitted, we should run a drawing awarding 2 grand prize winners (posters), 2 second prize winners (USB), and 3 runners up (trading cards). I'd be more than happy to pick the winners at random. Let me know how you guys would like to execute this. Thanks, -- Karim@fandom (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Hi Shran! So, we randomly picked 7 winners from the original twenty question submitters and here they are:
  • First Place (Signed posters)
  1. JerryJoe216
  2. Bp
  • Second Tier Prize (USB Card)
  1. Henshin86
  2. Cid Highwind
  • Third Tier Prize (Trading Cards)
  1. Tim-Thomason
  2. Joshg
  3. Zidel333

I'm notifying the winners on their Talk Pages. If one of the winners does not claim his prize in the next 5 days, the names on the list will get bumped up and a new third tier prize winner will be picked. Thanks again for all your help on this. The event wouldn't have had any legs without your cooperation and support. Feel free to contact me for any reason. Thanks, -- Karim@fandom (talk) 20:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It was our pleasure! Thanks, Karim. :) --From Andoria with Love 22:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

James T. Kirk (Alternate Reality) Edit


on the James T. Kirk Page in the captain of the uss enterprise box it says "Little did he know that Spock Prime observed from above (in a similar fashion to Kirk's father in the prime timeline) before leaving for a Vulcan colony." care to elaborate? (UTC)John SheppardJohn Sheppard 10:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Star Trek XI DVD release Edit

Any information on when? – Crimsondawn hears you... 17:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's October 5th or 6th. — Morder 20:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
There's no exact release date, but studio sources have told and TVShowsOnDVD to expect it in late October, possibly October 27th. --From Andoria with Love 22:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
You LIE! :) I'll have to find it but I read a story yesterday about the release date on the 5th... — Morder 22:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The 5th is a Monday. DVDs are released on Tuesdays. ;) October 6th was actually my own guess as to when the DVD would come out, but then this happened. :-P --From Andoria with Love 23:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
You still lie...actually I found what it was I was looking for and the release date stated there was oct 1st...which I seriously doubt :) — Morder (talk) 23:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
As do I. ;) It's most likely to be released on October 27th, though I'm hoping for an earlier release. --From Andoria with Love 23:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge Edit

Hey, could you check my merge I did recently regarding Battle of Rura Penthe and Rura Penthe? Thanks :) — Morder (talk) 02:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I was watching. :-D You did it perfectly from what I can tell. Good job. :) --From Andoria with Love 02:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I always feel like...somebody's watching me...heh thanks. :) — Morder (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Image Copyright Issue Edit

I'm putting a notice on the discussion page of each image uploaded by Eyes Only belonging to Ron Douglas from stating that permission was granted to use the image. Since this was not done, one of the images has appeared on the Possible Copyright Infringements page. Good thing I stumbled upon it, lest it and every other of the images get deleted and MA loses a major resource. As Eyes Only has said, Mr. Douglas likes MA and likes the use of his images here, as it is non-profit and permission was asked FIRST. The Susie Stillwell fiasco that happened a few years ago (Eyes Only told me about that) comes to mind. – Crimsondawn hears you... 14:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty then. :) --From Andoria with Love 14:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I have indicated the securement of permission to use the image on the copyvio discussion page. Can you remove the copyvio notice? – Crimsondawn hears you... 14:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I've opposed the image's deletion, but I would wait wait another day or two before removing the template, make sure there are no further issues and people are satisfied. That okay? :) --From Andoria with Love 15:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 15:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson Edit

Oh shit, I saw your post but sorta ignored it. I just saw it on the news and thought I'd tell you - then I remembered you posted just a bit he's dead...I would have liked to see him in concert. :( — Morder (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, I just heard about Billy Mays. It's kinda sad that your user page is being pushed so far down this last week.--Tim Thomason 21:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep it up with the obituary notices. I had no idea Jackson had died until I dropped in on your page and and saw it. It's like the crawl on CNN. – Crimsondawn hears you... 21:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Kirsten Dunst Edit

Kirsten Dunst - 'nuff said. — Morder (talk) 09:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I said..."'nuff said" — Morder (talk) 03:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I SAID... — Morder (talk) 04:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I said... Randy Oglesby... — Morder (talk) 07:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Anon is at it again Edit

First day after the editing block ended, and we have this again. --OuroborosCobra talk 17:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Category suggestion merge Edit

How am I supposed to merge a category suggestion with another page (one that doesn't exist) and still keep the original page untouched? — Morder (talk) 05:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

For MA:CS stuff? Just copy. They're still in the history of the original page. The reason for putting them onto the talk page of the category is for reference. -- sulfur 11:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I took care of it that way - still seems a bit off :) — Morder (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Valora Noland Edit

see: Special:Contributions/

John Hughes Edit

Dead. — Morder (talk) 22:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Peter E. Berger Edit

Dead. — Morder (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC) (just kidding - i did this for nothing?!)

Robert C. Johnson's vital dates Edit


I noticed that your name is beside the updates for Robert C. Johnson's vitals. Previously, all that was listed was the year of his birth and death. How were you able to corroborate the month and day for each. I'm not disputing the entry, just wondering how you found it since I've been unable to find any obit or news release info.


IMDb listed his date of birth as March 1st, 1921 (or just 1921). Using that information, I looked up Mr. Johnson at the Social Security Death Index, is a database of death records created from the United States Social Security Administration's Death Master File Extract. There, there is only one Robert C. Johnson born in 1921 who died in 1994. Johnson's date of death is listed as August 16, 1994. --From Andoria with Love 01:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Wee Bairns Edit

Here's an open question. Have you or anybody else who reads this ever canonically heard Scotty at any time refer to the Enterprise's engines as "The wee bairns"? That seems to be a popular iconic phrase for him. But is there any canon basis for it? BTW a bairn, according to the dictionary is a the scottish word for child. Wee means little. Wee bairns... well, you get the idea. Just looked it up. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 16:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

In "The Paradise Syndrome", he refers to his engines as "My poor bairns." I don't think he ever said "Wee bairns." That's probably just a popular mythical quote along the lines of "Beam me up, Scotty" and "Lucy, you have a lot of 'splainin' to do." --From Andoria with Love 19:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

whoops Edit

missed you by 6 minutes :) — Morder (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Dead Edit

Hi. This is you, using a bloody Mac. Traitor. Anyway, singer-songwriter Ellie Greenwich is dead. So is Ted Kennedy, but that's not really related to entertainment, is it? Anyway, yeah RIP Ellie & Teddy. --I'm a PC... using a Mac. Bite me.

Bite you? unlikely. Hey, i need some help, hopefully you're on later tonight if not i hope sometime i might have what you requested — Morder (talk) 04:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Kate Mulgrew Edit

Someone copied some text from that article to wikipedia. On this wiki the text is licensed under cc-NC, on Wikipedia it is also free for commercial use, also the source is not mentioned in Wikipedia. you may check and complain there. --

A suggestion... Edit

Hey there! I just saw on the main page of Wikipedia that the article about Khan Noonien Singh is today's featured article... Maybe it's worth putting in the Latest News on Memory Alpha's main page...? Auron85 14:28, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Remember... Edit

...Vanja Drach --From Andoria with Love 22:55, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Check this link...scroll down to page 30, if it is useful for you. ;) – Tom 18:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Tom, I'll look over it at home and see if there's anyone I missed. How the heck do you find these thing anyway, lol! --From College with Love 16:38, October 8, 2009 (EST)

Note to self: Jeffrey Deacon and Dick Durock. That is all. -- Me 16:38, October 8, 2009 (EST)

...Stephen Gately (17 March 1976-10 October 2009), British singer. [4]Tom 12:20, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

...(many of the following have yet to be confirmed) Sacha Bulthuis, actress, d. Oct. 15; Martyn Sanderson, actor/writer, d. Oct. 15; Vladimir Kashpur, Russian actor, d. Oct. 17; Alberto Testa, songwriter/choreographer, d. Oct. 19 --From Andoria with Love 08:08, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Actor Zakes Mokae (5 August 1934-11 September 2009) [5]Tom 19:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Yah, got him already. Very sad, I saw him on Monk not too long ago. :( --From Andoria with Love 00:24, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
I saw him on Gross Anatomy (1989). Another great performance. – Tom 08:17, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
British actor, Emmy Award nominee, Golden Globe Award winner and nominee Edward Woodward (1 June 1930-16 November 2009). [6]Tom 16:02, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Richard Carlyle, Paul Harper (The Wild Bunch, Deadbeat at Dawn)

Actor Gene Barry (Burke's Law, Bat Masterson, War of the Worlds), Mark Ritts (Lester the rat on Beakman's World)

Actor and stuntman Ken Kerman (1936 - 9 September 2009). [7]Tom 22:14, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actress Brittany Murphy (10 November 1977-20 December 2009). [8]Tom 22:44, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

I know, I just heard. I'm still in shock... --From Andoria with Love 01:44, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Vic Chestnutt, singer/songwriter -- From Hampton with Love

Not sure if he's relevant for you, Yves Rocher, French businessman. [9]Tom 12:11, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

14 September Edit

R.I.P. Henry Gibson. – Tom 23:09, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Star trek musical taste Edit

Tell me something: how come everybody in ST has always had such a bourgeois taste in music? I have yet to see anything outside of opera or light jazz being enjoyed by any Starfleet personnel. What was Roddenberry trying to say? That music now is barbaric and will "evolve" in the future to be "acceptable"? Even in First Contact, the officers grimaced when Cochrane played his vintage Roy Orbison and Steppenwolf. I have always found this very unrealistic. What would have been so bad about having at least one officer or crewman listening to a little Bobby Brown? Or Mariah Carey? I could easily see Benjamin Sisko in his quarters on DS9, kicking back to the Commodores. Even Tom Paris, 20th century enthusiast, was never seen to be listening to some rock and roll, which he professed to love. What was the deal? – Crimsondawn hears you... 16:50, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea. As you pointed out, some characters did enjoy rock and roll and more "modern" types of music, they were just never seen (or heard) listening to them. One major reason for their limited use on television was copyright issues; it was far cheaper (and sometimes even free) to use old classical music rather than pay for the use of a modern song. I'm sure Sisko would be listening to some Commodores or Lionel Ritchie, we just never actually saw him do it. That said, it would have been very bad for anyone to listen to either Bobby Brown or Mariah Carey. I would like to believe that their music would be banned as the result of some anti-torture act. :) --From Andoria with Love 19:44, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Bad Shran! Bad Shran! *LOL*– Crimsondawn hears you... 16:27, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Kerner Optical Edit

Hey, where did you get the info for this company that they worked on Star Trek. Their website has no information about their involvement. Was it in the credits? — Morder (talk) 23:55, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

From IMDB:
Star Trek (2009) ... Special Effects Company (models and miniatures)
Just as an aside. -- sulfur 00:11, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the imdb info but...they get things wrong all the time :) — Morder (talk) 00:26, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think I got the info from one of the Kerner Optical employee's LinkedIn account or web site. The company's involvement has since been confirmed in the final credits for the film. --From Andoria with Love 02:05, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Starfleet casualties split Edit

I don't know if this will work, so I though I would ask. If I move Starfleet casualties to Starfleet casualties (22nd century), roll the original page back, and move it again to Starfleet casualties (23rd century), and so forth, will it retain the page history, or does a admin need to do the split. - Archduk3:talk 03:16, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

When you move a page, its entire history goes with it, and the original page becomes a redirect. The original page cannot be reverted because it will no longer have a history attached to it; it won't have a prior edit to rollback to. Sorry, but an administrator will have to split the articles for you, assuming the community agrees with the decision. --From Andoria with Love 05:10, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Good thing I checked first then :) - Archduk3:talk 05:22, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Shere Khan Edit

Heh, I had to go and look that up because I was positive it was Tony Jay. Turns out that I'm more right than you are because nobody cares about Jungle Cubs but you. — Morder (talk) 05:54, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth Lindsey Edit

Can you take a look at Talk:Elizabeth Lindsey, see if your endless knowledge of Trek performers can assist in finding a Trek connection? --OuroborosCobra talk 07:34, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Rura Penthe in Star Trek 2009 Edit

There was one scene in Star Trek that takes place on Rura Penthe. Though never stated as such you can see the prisoners mining dilithium during the mind meld scene. — Morder (talk) 07:53, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Your Date RevertsEdit

They WERE discussed and strong evidence supporting them was listed. Why did you revert them? --Nero210 20:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

They were not properly discussed among the community, no. A discussion is actually currently underway here. --From Andoria with Love 20:22, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Very well, also why did you re-add the homeworld link in the year of hell article? It's BROKEN!? --Nero210 20:26, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

If it's broken it just means the article hasn't been created yet - we don't remove redlinks we create articles :) — Morder (talk) 20:29, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Just because a link is red does not mean it gets removed. A red link means that article has not yet been created, and let's people know that. By the way, as I said on the forum, don't be too worried or angry about my reverting your date changes, if the community agrees to them my reversions can be easily undone. --From Andoria with Love 20:30, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I've seen you revert a lot of edits, some that weren't even date changes, and a lot that were properly added. I really have a hard time seeing a point of trying to contribute here if all you do is revert. --Nero210 20:32, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I may have accidentally reverted items not related to your date changes since there were a lot of edits to go over (another reason why you need to use the preview button), and I'm trying to check now to see what changes I need to revert back. If you know of any specifically, please point them out so I can either correct them or, if I don't correct them, let you know why. --From Andoria with Love 20:36, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Crossovers Edit

Ever read the TOS novel Ishmael? A crossover with the TV show "Here Come the Brides." This brings up a question that I have long had: why in creation has NOBODY ever done an on-screen crossover? It does not have to be canon; of course it cannot be. But just for fun, man! There are literally thousands of good fanfic crossover stories on the net: ST & Star Wars, ST & Babylon 5, ST & Battlestar Galactica, even ST & Lord of the Rings. Don't laugh, that one is actually quite good. Imagine Gandalf having met Q eons ago. Or the Founders actually being ancient enemies of the Elves who were defeated, left Middle Earth, wandered aimlessly until they ended up in the Gamma Quadrant and, in keeping with their desire to be worshipped as deities, formed the Dominion. There are even crossover fanfics between ST and "Forever Knight", that cult Canadian vampire show. That one actually makes a lot of sense; if vampires are immortal, then of course they would be around in the 24th century and beyond. How come nobody has ever done a crossover on-screen? As I said, not for canon, just for FUN? :) – Crimsondawn Talk yuh talk 23:55, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Flood flag for Recent changes? Edit

Respectfully, would you consider temporarily assigning yourself the flood flag (if MA has that ability) or perhaps the bot flag when deleting dozens of IP user talks per minute? Recent Changes is less useful for looking at other edits otherwise.

I don't patrol for vandalism (thankfully, much less on MA) as much as I just look at recent edits for new content to read and occasionally copyedit. If you won't consider it (or it's technically unworkable), it's not a big thing (and I agree those completely automatically generated pages are annoying and unnecessary), but I thought I'd request it.

PS Good work. As a long-time lurker, I respect your contributions. Setacourse 07:08, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry for the flooding. I'm afraid we don't have a flood flag feature (that I know of). I chose now to delete all those pages because there were fewer edits being made to the site. I was also keeping an eye for vandalism. Normally I don't delete so many at one time, but like I said, there weren't many people editing and I'd like to clear out all those old IP talk pages soon (there are thousands left still). However, in the future, I will delete fewer of them within a short time so they don't clog up the recent changes as much. Sorry again for the inconvenience. Thanks for the compliment, though, I appreciate it. :) --From Andoria with Love 07:14, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the consideration, and you have very little to apologise for, since less people *are* editing at this time. :) I don't see discussion of a flood flag here either on a quick google, but would temp-assigning yourself the bot flag be feasible (so you could delete hundreds at a time with no RC footprint unless showing bot edits), or contravene the policy? (Not to nag, but just if it's an option) Setacourse 07:28, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I would imagine assigning my account a bot flag would be possible, though I believe I would need a bureaucrat to assign it. Since Cid is the only regularly active bureaucrat, I would have to wait for him to be online so he can assign me the bot flag and then remove it when I'm done editing for that time. I' don't think a regular administrator can set a bot flag, but if we can, please let me know how (if you know) and I will be sure to make all those deletions using a bot flag from now on. :) --From Andoria with Love 07:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Quick google says you're probably right. If MA doesn't have the flood flag, then an admin can't assign the bot flag. Setacourse 07:46, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think bot flags require even more than a bureaucrat, I think they need Wikia staff to assign them. When I was a bureaucrat on another Wikia wiki, I couldn't assign bot flags. --OuroborosCobra talk 07:48, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
If you took the time to wipe out the summary line, like I did/do, when you delete those, shran, the flooding is minimal and the rc looks neat and tidy. --Alan 16:56, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Good point. But who has that kind of time? :P Nah, I'll do that from now on. Assuming I remember. --From Andoria with Love 21:18, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


Not sure exactly what it is... but the name suggested that you might be interested.

Enjoy. -- sulfur 15:53, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Parking brake Edit

Go ahead and delete it. I just realized who that anon is and it's definitely not worth dealing with him. He clearly has issues. — Morder (talk) 03:41, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Image galleries in monaco Edit

Hey there, I was noticing, now that I am forced to use Monaco (a long, long story...), I noticed that the image gallery tables have white around the images, but not so when hovering, while the normal thumbnails match the wiki's theme. Is this done intentionally, and if not, does MA want the code to fix that? As I recently colorized a theme for a different wiki, I have found that code (and several others...) --Terran Officer 05:35, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Terran Officer. I honestly have no idea how the Monaco skin works or what is or is not intentional. I am probably the last person you want to ask about these technical things. You might want to ask someone like bp, Morder, or Cid, they may know how to help you. --From Andoria with Love 05:52, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

ST XI Cast & Crew Edit

I've brought this up on the article discussion page. but no one has answered. How come the credited cast gets a separate page from the movie? – Crimsondawn Talk yuh talk 17:25, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

To reduce the default length of the movie's article. The way they are now, no one need not go through all those names to get to the bottom of the page unless they actually want to view the credits. --From Andoria with Love 16:19, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Bullet Warp Edit

Don't you just love the new warp effect as seen in ST XI? Now that is what faster-than-light-travel should look like; build up, then BOOM! Ship gone in the blink of an eye. I call it "bullet warp." :D – Crimsondawn Talk yuh talk 00:44, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I do like the new warp effect, yes. That said, talk pages aren't really for idle conversational topics such as this, they're only supposed to be used for the purposes of the project. I think you've sent me quite a few comments and questions that aren't related to the expansion and improvement of Memory Alpha. For conversations like that, it's best that you make use of the chat room. I'm not trying to be mean; it's not that I don't like people sending me comments like this, but it's not really what talk pages are for. If you want to converse in the chat room, that's fine; now that this semester is nearly finished, I'll be on there quite often. So, if you want to talk about things not pertaining to the encyclopedia itself, feel free to drop in there anytime. :) --From Andoria with Love 01:34, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Oh. OK. Sorry. :) I do have a technical question about the project: how come the log-in button does not work? I have to click on "Create An Account" to get to the login. This has been so for quite a while. I do not know who to direct this problem to. – Crimsondawn Talk yuh talk 03:01, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

You might want to ask wikia about that. — Morder (talk) 03:04, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

47...ish... Edit

Based on this (which I'm not going to say I read in it's entirety, since I skimmed the pissing match), it seems that the page was deleted on BP and your votes alone, as the others seem to lean more towards a rewrite of some sort (I'm not ruling out I missed one or two in there though). I wanted to bring this up with you before putting it up for formal un-deletion, since I know most of the talk on that would be about citeable references, and I'm not even sure if it should be "brought back" as opposed to rewritten from scratch. This is an old issue, but it seems to come up a couple of times each year, so maybe it's worth a second/third look? - Archduk3:talk 00:37, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know only 3 people are really involved in the discussion so, basically, the majority won. Neither of the other people who injected anything in the conversation voiced an opinion either way but were just stating comments. (Though Alan seemed to be in the delete category) — Morder (talk) 00:47, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

That is part of the point, that while the system worked, it was deleted with the minimum number of votes. It was up for a few months, so it's not like anything funny was going on, I just think that it might deserve another look. - Archduk3:talk 01:14, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I'm a little unclear as to what the minimum number of votes is for as it only applies to admin nominations, as far as I know. (and for undeletion) The only thing regarding "minimum" on PFD would be for the # of days it must be listed for. — Morder (talk) 01:18, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

The minimum is that there were only three votes, not counting Alan. Three would be the minimum with a dissenter, since the policy is that at least two people should agree to delete a page (the person who nominated the page and the admin who deleted it). - Archduk3:talk 01:35, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

No, I mean there's no policy for a minimum deletion vote count for deleting articles. I'm going to check but I'm fairly certain there was none. — Morder (talk) 01:38, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

It seems you are correct, since the wording is only "Generally" instead of "Don't" on number 3 of the policy, though I find it hard to believe that only one vote is enough. This is probably the closest it has come to that (and I will not back that statement up by searching the archives, you can't make me!). - Archduk3:talk 02:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Heh, you're probably right overall though I tend to agree with the deletion as we require citations and almost no 47 reference list will have any valid citations. (I actually have what is probably the only valid 47 reference citation I could find but haven't posted it here yet. Not sure when I will) Poor, Shran. :) — Morder (talk) 02:12, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
My poor, poor talk page! :-P Anyway, as Morder said, there is minimum number of votes so long as the discussion have been going on for at least five days and there is a general consensus. Now, I don't have time to re-read the entire discussion, but judging from my final comment on the deletion page, it seems I finally just had to do something since, as I recall, some wanted it kept in some way and others wanted it deleted. I suggested a compromise but nobody responded to it, so after about a month I went ahead with it. The compromise allowed for all the information in what was "47 references" to be stored in the history of the 47 article, but the "47 references" page no longer existed. This way, should "47 references" ever be voted for un-deletion, we can simply delete 47, then restore those edits in its history which were originally from "47 references," move them back to "47 references," then restore the 47 page. However, in order for people to agree to the undeletion of "47 references," you will likely need to have some good citations for their intentional use. Morder, I saw your e-mail (love the subject title, btw), and being that that is the only real citable 47 reference, you could probably add that to the 47 page. Just mention the letter and what Braga said. --From Andoria with Love 09:30, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I really want to see this 47 that can be individually cited, must be juicy; :) which brings me to point. The 47 in-joke is unciteable beyond what is already on the 47 page. Everything I have every seen or heard on it is a general statement that after a certain point in time all 47s in the show were deliberate (though Morder must have a good one if it stands out among the rest). I, of course, know that isn't the same as individual citations; so that's the reason I'm bringing it to you first. As the "middle ground" in the deletion decision, I figured if you weren't for giving it a try, it wouldn't be worth trying (and starting another flame war). That being said, I would only want to bring back the 47s, not 74s or mathematical mumbojumbo, as everything I know only mentions 47 as the in-joke (excepting the 47xxx.xx stardates, as that was decided on before the 47 joke started). And there would be no need to link every single one to the page, as Morder's 47 is the only one that should be. With hundreds of edits and continuing interest years after the fact, we can't deny that this will keep coming up, and we are here to entertain as well. So that's my soapbox tirade on the unjustness of world, thoughts?

(Also, you know your talk page loves it, don't even try to hide it!) :) - Archduk3:talk 15:14, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Actually my reference sucks but it is citable (also 74 is also a 47 reference, according to my cite) The problem with a 47 list, based on how it's supposed to work, is that people have been spewing out crap like stardate 417415 somehow equates to 4 + 1 * 7 * 4 + 15 = 47 or, using the same example, 417415. These are the examples of why they should be cited even though - according to braga - they both could valid. — Morder (talk) 15:58, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Well...that's all kinds of inconvenient. Is it something along the lines of any 47 you can find is intentional...*wink*, or something else? - Archduk3:talk 22:58, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Just to raise my hand, I would support bringing it back with Archduk3's suggestion of only 47s, no math or stardates. Setacourse 23:12, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Moved to my talk page, so Shran's can have a bit of a break. ;) - Archduk3:talk 23:26, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

RC Enterprise Edit (talk) 00:04, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I gotta get me one of those... and a swimming pool to go along with it. :) --From Andoria with Love 00:14, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Heh, you need at least one romulan warbird or something to do space battles with. — Morder (talk) 00:17, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

How many phasers on the Intrepid class? Edit

Since you reverted this on Phaser array (I count 13 phaser arrays on the Intrepid), I figured I'd ask you about this on Intrepid class, where I count 14 phaser arrays. That makes me pause, and wonder if I'm miscounting or something, as it's not clear which is right. Setacourse 15:40, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I reverted the phaser array edit because the user seemed to remove valid background information without explanation. The Intrepid class edit seems to be a correction of information, but I am unsure which one is correct so I did not revert it. It might be best to bring this up on the Intrepid's talk page. Contacted Alan would also be a good idea since he is more knowledgeable as to a starship's technical specifications. --From Andoria with Love 16:00, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Alt. Kirk Article Rewrite Edit

I have done the rewrite. I hope I have done better here than I did in the Nero article. Please look at it.– Crimsondawn Talk yuh talk 21:31, December 29, 2009 (UTC) Thanks.

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