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Discussions Edit

Please keep discussions in one place, thanks.– Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 06:05, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Recent changes Edit

I gotta ask, what's the point of changing links when they already redirect to the appropriate page? -Angry Future Romulan 03:30, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

You're right. Our standard has been (and wiki best practices are) that if a redirect exists, use it instead of a piped link. This doesn't mean to create a redirect in place of every piped link, but just use existing redirects rather than the equivalent piped link. -- Renegade54 04:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
I won't do it anymore if I am not allowed, I just didn't think it was a issue to have it go directly to the right page rather than a redirect. It just seemed better to have the links be exact. TJ Spyke 02:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


It's all nice to change some redirects, but keep a few things in mind:

  • Credits are that way for a reason. That's how they were on-screen. Don't change them.
  • Sometimes it is desirable to have a link go to the redirect. That way you can see where things are used.

So, when you're cleaning stuff up, keep those things in mind. Those things are very important. -- sulfur 02:10, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Since you didn't respond to this before, I must reiterate things again and mention some others:

  • When you see a rank redirect that is follow by a name, and the rank redirect is the one with all capital letters? Don't change it to one with lower case letters. It's a title in that case.
  • Please do not remove blank lines in the Memorable Quote sections of articles. If you do not realize that you are doing this, please stop using Wikia's fancy editor on Memory Alpha. It tends to break more than it fixes. Most of the time when reverting changes made with the editor, the entire article has to be reverted, even if a single change is made correctly.
  • Do not change mentions of "Federation" to "United Federation of Planets" or "Romulan Empire" to "Romulan Star Empire". We use the terms stated in a particular episode intentionally.

Many of your changes have had to be reverted due to these (and other) issues. Please take care when you are making these changes. -- sulfur 10:12, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

I brought this up previously, you are still changing some redirects to the base article. Please note that a number of times, the choice of the redirect is intentional (ie "sexual attraction" vs "sexuality"). If enough pages link to a specific redirect, sometimes that suggests that a separate article should be created for that redirect. If you keep changing these redirects to point back to the base article, this tracking ability is lost. As such, please carefully consider your redirect changing. -- sulfur 17:49, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

OK, in that case I didn't think it was a big deal. I will try to be more careful. TJ Spyke 17:51, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ones that are obvious misspellings are just fine, but when you come across one that links to a specific part of a page or one that is more specific wording to the context, those are best to leave as is. Again those allow us to see what actually links to a page in what manner. -- sulfur 18:17, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


When editing, please do not change <br /> tags to simple <br> tags. Also, when you edit, you tend to remove blank spaces in templates and so forth. These changes do not gain anything, except to make it more difficult for future editors to read the source in the article. This also makes it more difficult to see what changes have actually been made to an article.

If you happen to be using Wikia's fancy editor, I would strongly recommend removing it, as it tends to break templates and a number of other things. That can be done under your preferences. -- sulfur 20:53, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

OK< thank you for helping again. I didn't think the br one mattered, or that deleting blank spaces mattered. TJ Spyke 20:55, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

The 'br' that we use (the first one above) is actually the correct tag in HTML5, whereas the old one is being deprecated. In terms of blank spaces, blank lines being removed are fine, but the spaces in templates are helpful. :) -- sulfur 21:09, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia episode linksEdit

When adding links to Wikipedia for episodes, please check to see if there is actually any information on those pages beyond a simple sidebar and brief plot summary. If there is not, then the link to that article is not worth adding. -- sulfur (talk) 14:23, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Troy link to "Troi" pageEdit

Please note that the choice of link at the top is very intentional there. We do not link to disambiguation pages directly if possible, and link to their name with "(disambiguation)" after it. The link that was at the top of the page presented that already. As such, please don't change things like that without understanding why they are presented that way already. -- sulfur (talk) 19:35, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Is there any way to fix the disambiguation link? Because the page is just at Troi, but the generic disambiguation link goes to "Troi (disambiguation)". TJ Spyke (talk) 19:39, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That's precisely what should happen. The page should be at the bare name (when possible), but have a redirect from "X (disambiguation)". That way, when working to clean up links that go to disambiguation pages, it's simpler and cleaner to look at the lists of these. -- sulfur (talk) 19:40, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

But it should be possible to have the disambiguation link go directly to "Troi" rather than to "Troi (disambiguation)" (which redirects to"Troi"). TJ Spyke (talk) 19:42, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

It can, but we don't want it to go directly to the page. We want it to go to the redirect as I mentioned above. -- sulfur (talk) 19:44, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

But there is no reason, it makes no sense and does no benefit anyone. TJ Spyke (talk) 19:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Again, the reason is for maintenance purposes. A report exists that shows all pages that link to disambiguation pages. By having redirects from "X (disambiguation)" to "X" (where "X" is the disambiguation page) cuts down the number of "false positives" on this list tenfold, thus making it easier to find and fix links that go to the incorrect page. We've based our practice on the one at Wikipedia, as it simplifies this process immensely. That's the reason and that's who it benefits. -- sulfur (talk) 19:59, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I have been a editor at Wikipedia for many years, and they always prefer having it be simplified when possible (so they would have links go directly to "Troi" rather than make it go to a page that just redirects to "Troi". Doesn't matter to me, it just makes no sense. TJ Spyke (talk) 20:16, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

That policy has been in place at WP for 2+ years now. They're making them go to redirects if the link is intentional. That's the whole point of the policy. -- sulfur (talk) 20:29, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Not if the disambiguation page has no parenthesis. If the Wikipedia page was at "Troi", they would prefer linking to that rather than "Troi (disambiguation)". At least every admin I have talked to with is fine with that and has no problem fixing links so it would go directly to "Troi". TJ Spyke (talk) 20:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect. I direct your close attention to both the policy above, and the initial discussion that took place in September 2010. Then look at the Light disambiguation page in the "see also" section. Find the link to "Lyte (disambiguation)" and follow it. See where it takes you. -- sulfur (talk) 20:52, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Light doesn't apply to this situation because "Light" and "Light (disambiguation)" are separate pages, it would be different if "Light (disambiguation)" redirected to "Light" (like the Troi situation). TJ Spyke (talk) 20:54, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Changing links from redirect to direct linkEdit

Please don't. Often the redirects have been chosen for a reason. Please don't change them, just because you can. It's counter-productive. -- sulfur (talk) 21:02, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to repeat this. There is no reason or need to change a link to "Lieutenant Commander" to "Lieutenant commander|Lieutenant Commander". In fact, the choice of redirect there is desired.

I'm also going to ask you VERY KINDLY not to chop out blank lines, blank spaces, etc, as, when you do so, like with Hikaru Sulu, you nicely break the formatting that allows people to edit these pages easily.

If you are using the new Wikia visual editor, that may be at fault, and we'd kindly ask you to not use it, as it munges far too much useful formatting in the articles. -- sulfur (talk) 11:10, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

It's obvious that you aren't bothering to read this, because you're still making these problem edits. As such, I'm putting a block in place until you respond here so that we can attempt to resolve the issue. -- sulfur (talk) 17:03, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Having edited many wikis, removing spaces does NOT break any formatting or cause problems. If anything, it makes it better. Maybe the default format should be fixed. Sometimes people make mistakes and I am just helping to fix them (for example, my making sure Lieutenant commander is used. There is no reason for the wrong link to be used and having the direct link makes it easier for the sites servers. You have not demonstrated how it's counter-productive or unhelpful, wheras I have shown how it IS helpful. I kindly request you remove the unjust block. I am willing to leave the template alone (even though leaving the spaces there makes it ugly, makes the article take up more resources, and makes it harder to edit). TJ Spyke (talk) 17:14, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Most of the editors here edit source directly. Having the templates have a few extra spaces puts no extra resource on the servers, and actually allows manual source editing to be more easily and readily done.

Using the links that we choose to use is intentional because it lets us know what is linking where and how. That's one of the primary reasons for redirects. By using the capitalized version of the rank, it tells us that we're using it in the context of a title. This is important for our behind-the-scenes maintenance.

I would strongly suggest that, in future, when someone posts repeatedly on your talk page/wall/etc about the same topic, that you actually respond to communicate with them to ascertain what the issue is, rather than simply going blindly forth with your edits that strongly appear to be bad faith edits because of remove of blank lines, spaces, and changing links to redirects to the straight link.

In short, MA is a fairly old wiki and has some particular stylistic choices in place, that are in place by intent and design. As someone who has "edited many wikis", I'm sure that you know and understand the value of looking at what a wiki does stylistically before arbitrarily enforcing your own style and design on said wiki. Something you certainly have not bothered doing here on MA. -- sulfur (talk) 17:34, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

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